I did a ball trade with bigbandito2004 trading a Yeah Baby for a Fury.The ball arrive in a double box with a drill sheet to my surprize.The ball came with pin over fingers with C.G my guess a 1/2 to 3/4 of a inch shift to the right from center grip.Which is according to the drill sheet 3L.The ball is in good condition with 2 small scrape but that is not bigbandito2004 fault.I can take care of that with the ball spinner i have at home.The trade went well with exception of a lack of communation on my part for not getting back with bigbandito2004 sooner in the trade.The ball arrive a day early than what he told me.bigbandito2004 A+ a good person to deal with.If he has a good deal or trade don't pass it up.Make a deal with him.Thanks again and a A+ from me.