Post by: Bjaardker on September 04, 2003, 07:54:18 AM
First message:
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From: Rudy REVS Jr
Received: 9/2/2003 9:51:47 PM
Subject: Want to trade for Igniter
Message: I have a silver diamond with the pin right above the ring finger 15# nib. will trade for free except for shipping. If u pay shipping i will gladly trade for u
I followed up with:
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I'm very intrested, just wondering, if it's NIB, how can the pin be above the ring finger?
I can also give you any other info on the igniter you might want.
BJ
At this point I was cautious, but was going to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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MY fault. I thought NIB meant the condition the ball was in. sorry
i would still like to trade though
We agreed to trade & that I would pay him back for shipping since I was getting a little "better end of the deal" & the $$ should offset it.I then asked if he accepted Paypal & he responded:
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Sorry i do not accept paypal. i will accept a check though. not sure about the span but the pin is 2.5in. and it has about 15 games on it. I have a medium size hand so we should match up ok. I live in Tupelo, MS.
I then sent him this PM to try & "close" the deal.
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So would it be ok to do a swap then?
I'll send you my igniter & a money order or check for the cost of shipping, at the same time that you send the silver diamond?
You would have to front the $$ for the shipping, but I would be sure to send enough along with my ball to cover it.
I've found that's usually the safest way to do ball trades on here, to both send at the same time & make sure you get each other the tracking numbers on the same day. That way if one doesn't send a tracking number in a day or so, you can put the shipment on hold.
Let me know if you think that would work & we can swap addresses & plan on shipping tomorrow or friday.
At this point he sent me a message saying he now was wondering if I could include a little more $$ for redrilling & such. Here was my response:
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I dont have enough money for that. That's why I wanted to trade with someone. As it is I'm going to be paying at least $15 for shipping the igniter to you & another $15 to cover your shipping. The max I can make out a check to you for is $25.00. That's about $10.00 more than what shipping should cost.
I'm sorry, That's all I've got.
He responded it was OK.
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That is fine i think we will try to ship on friday or saturday .
How do we exchange the tracking numbers and how do we put shipments on hold
I responded with my address & that I would ship on Friday during lunch & also some more info on shipping with UPS & NOT using USPS.
Here's his edited response:
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I go to school during the day so i will be able to ship it after i get out of schoool friday.
My email addy is south_65@msn.com
my phone number is 1-xxx-xxx-xxxx
Ship to this addy
xxxx Redland Sarepta Rd
Houlka Ms, 38850
I then got a message asking this:
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Is the ball already drilled???
did u use it for dry lanes or for oily
does the ball have any scratches or nicks on the coverstock
also how many games does it have on it????
Mind you, all of this info was in the original trade thread, but I responded anyway.
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The ball has only beee drilled once. Span & such were listed in the thread on the forum. It has finger grips & thumb slug. Drilled pin over bridge & just right of center line. CG kicked right about 45 degrees. Commonly known as a 10:30 drilling.
Used it for Medium conditions with good backends, that's where it really excelled.
Very few small scratches, nothing more than expected for 30 games & nothing that wont come out with a light resurfacing. I would actually reccommend a little bit of polish to bring the shine back.
Only 30 games on it.
If you're having second thoughts about trading please let me know now. I'm planning on shipping tomorrow.
He Responded:
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No i am still goin to ship tomorrow.
Then tonight I get this:
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I HAVE DECIDED TO KEEP MY SILVER DIAMOND. MY DAD WANTS ME TOO KEEP IT SO I GUESS I WILL. I AM SORRY FOR THE INCONVIENCE.
Moral of the story, people can really jerk you around. Deal with him with caution.
Oh, and I still have that igniter available if anyone is intrested.
Edited on 9/4/2003 11:03 PM
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on September 04, 2003, 11:06:01 PM
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I may not have a ton of hand, but I've got 1500 pounds of fingers.
Post by: Bjaardker on September 04, 2003, 11:10:56 PM
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A friend of mine might be interested. I'll have him check with his dad before I have him get in touch with you....lol.
Too funny.
I'll be sure to make sure my daddy signs off on any deal as well.
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 04, 2003, 11:11:05 PM
Post by: HamPster on September 05, 2003, 12:47:48 AM
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: Jeffrevs on September 05, 2003, 06:56:27 AM
Post by: jkiser01 on September 05, 2003, 07:03:51 AM
I totally agree. I have had kids (and a couple of adults) from this site email me about stuff I had for sale, seem very interested and then tell me they don't have the money afterall, a total waste of my time. I had one user ask me to wait 3 weeks until he got his allowance to pay for a bag I had for sale.
jkiser01
Edited on 9/5/2003 7:55 AM
Post by: pnj1967 on September 05, 2003, 07:22:47 AM
About a month ago had a person {adult} that wanted to get a ball I had, after 16 messages, 2 " I give you my word" I will pay with Pay Pal when I get home from work, then says go ahead and sell to some one else. So you can't blame the kids for all of this.
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Edited on 9/5/2003 7:32 AM
Post by: jkiser01 on September 05, 2003, 07:44:56 AM
good point and thats happened to me as well. I did my self back oput of one deal along time ago because I just had a gut feeling the guy was not on the up and up. Sometimes you have to message back and forth a few times to see if they are legit or not. Most of the time I am right about the person.
jkiser01
Post by: Jeffrevs on September 05, 2003, 08:12:03 AM
Post by: Bjaardker on September 05, 2003, 10:33:56 AM
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I guess I don't understand. If you don't have the spare cash or other resources to trade, why jerk people around. You waste others and your own time.
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Toma
I guess you really don't understand.
If he wanted more than just the ball & shipping, then he shouldn't have made the offer in the first place.
Even after I said I couldn't offer more than $25.00 over, he AGREES to the offer, then backs out at the last minute.
Mind you, HE was the one that made this offer:
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will trade for free except for shipping. If u pay shipping i will gladly trade for u
Edited on 9/5/2003 10:44 AM
Post by: Bjaardker on September 05, 2003, 04:39:03 PM
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Bjaardker, I understand, that post was on your behalf.
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I guess I'm the one who didn't understand then.
Post by: MrH on September 05, 2003, 05:10:36 PM
But I really hate seeing idiotic kids ruin it for people like me who might want to buy or trade a ball on here in the future.
I guess if I end up really wanting to get a ball off this site from someone, I'll have my dad contact them and make sure they know they are dealing with someone who is going to go through with the transaction.
Post by: TyLytle on September 05, 2003, 05:15:02 PM
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Later,
Ty
Yes the Shock Trauma is STILL up for trade!!!
Post by: TyLytle on September 05, 2003, 05:26:55 PM
No. I just can't do it. It would be wrong...
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Later,
Ty
Yes the Shock Trauma is STILL up for trade!!!
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 05, 2003, 05:30:31 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 05, 2003, 05:49:44 PM
Hint: be careful with initials.
Post by: HamPster on September 05, 2003, 07:23:45 PM
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Forget Kung Fu, I know Ron Bahr!!!
The only difference between youth and adult leagues are that the big boys are allowed to whine. They're more entertaining anyway.
Post by: pnj1967 on September 13, 2003, 10:13:05 AM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: seadrive on September 13, 2003, 10:37:40 AM
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Any thing on this? I seen he is posting on the Lane 1 page.
He backed out of the deal, nothing was shipped, so no one owes anyone anything. Bjaardker's post is just a tip to avoid dealing with this guy, or with anyone else who needs his father's permission to close the deal.
There are a couple of younguns on this site I would probably deal with, but in general, dealing with kids is too risky, especially when you can get good deals from reputable traders like yourself.
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: seadrive on September 13, 2003, 11:56:05 AM
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Isn't this pretty much the same as saying, "I wont trade with XX user b/c he is black?"
Yeah, it is.
Ummm... no, it's not. Shame on you.
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: seadrive on September 13, 2003, 12:55:53 PM
Maybe you'd like to trade with 15 year-olds, or maybe 10 year-olds. How about 5 year-olds? Be careful not to label anyone.
Anyone who has to ask his father's permission to sell something should not be making promises, because he's not sure he can keep up his side of the deal. That doesn't hold true for most 25 year-olds I know.
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: seadrive on September 13, 2003, 02:58:46 PM
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Common Sense? So you are stating that trading a bowling ball with someone who is say ... "20" is ludicrous b/c they are under 25, and you don't see that as discriminatory. Marking folks under 25 is putting them into a category. I guess this conversation is over. Call it what u want, but if you wanna play semantics with me, lets go.
No thanks, Leftside, no desire here to "play semantics" (whatever that means).
First of all, you, not I, came up with "25 or under". I said "kids"; I never defined a lower age limit. "Kid" can refer to someone who doesn't have many years on the planet, or to someone who simply acts that way. If you're under 18, I'd say you're a kid. There I go, labeling people again!
Secondly, yes, common sense. Common sense tells you to be wary of dealing with someone who, without evidence to the contrary, you may assume has a dearth of experience in dealings that require commitment and the ability to follow through. Since we typically become more responsible as we pass from childhood into adulthood, it is common sense to be wary when entering into a financial transaction with a child. Why does this offend you so?
By the way he presents himself here, King has provided positive evidence to counter the intuitive belief that, at the age of 13, he's not old enough to be trusted to hold up his end of a small financial transaction. I would therefore be happy to deal with him.
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: Brickguy221 on September 13, 2003, 08:32:41 PM
Post by: card79 on September 22, 2003, 08:25:29 PM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: South_65 on September 22, 2003, 09:24:38 PM
I talked to the guy in my pro shop (Rudy REVS Kasimakis) and he told me not to do it because i was gettin ripped off.
Plus i just got the ball and my dad was on my case so there ya go
Post by: Bjaardker on September 22, 2003, 11:58:18 PM
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Here is the main reason i did not trade with bjaadker.
I talked to the guy in my pro shop (Rudy REVS Kasimakis) and he told me not to do it because i was gettin ripped off.
Plus i just got the ball and my dad was on my case so there ya go
You were the one that approached ME about the trade.
You were getting a top notch ball in great condition, plus cash on top of it, & money to cover shipping.
If you were so worried about it, then you shouldn't have confirmed the deal TWICE.
I've said nothing bad about you to this point. Simply stated the facts. Buyers can make their own decisions about dealing with you at this point.
As an aside, when you grow up, you will learn that namedropping will earn you no extra respect in life.
Edited on 9/23/2003 0:08 AM
Post by: Rev_O on September 23, 2003, 09:14:49 AM
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Rev-O
Post by: seadrive on September 23, 2003, 10:58:40 AM
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what show is that? COPS?
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Rev-O
Thanks, I needed a good belly laugh this morning!
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: Steven on September 23, 2003, 11:26:47 AM
If I can make a suggestion (and please don't take this the wrong way), get a part time job in the evening if you're really that cash strapped. That way you can buy new equipment from reliable sources and avoid all this hassle you (and many others) are going through. When you've been reduced to dealing with children who chew bubble gum and play tag for recreation, you're close to hitting bottom.
If you resist the concept of generating more income, at least consider dealing with a reputable adult like pchee2. The man does a lot of trading/selling (at least he used to), and he's fair and reliable.
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Post by: Bjaardker on September 23, 2003, 12:05:47 PM
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Bjaardker: Giving the kid the benefit of the doubt, the father may have nixed the deal believing it was a bad trade for his son. You always take that kind of risk when dealing with kids.
I don't think because he's a kid he should warrant any special consideration. He is trying to make grown up deals, and I've treated him as I would anyone who backed out of a deal like this.
Mind you I've never said he's a bad person. I just was saying to deal with caution.
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If I can make a suggestion (and please don't take this the wrong way), get a part time job in the evening if you're really that cash strapped. That way you can buy new equipment from reliable sources and avoid all this hassle you (and many others) are going through. When you've been reduced to dealing with children who chew bubble gum and play tag for recreation, you're close to hitting bottom.
It's not that I'm generally strapped for cash, we've hit some hard times & I just don't have recreation money available. I was just putting my ball up for a trade, he approached me, I offered to cover shipping & then some, he strung me along, then backed out. I wasn't looking to deal with a child, I just wanted to trade my Igniter since it's a ball that just wasn't working out for me.
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If you resist the concept of generating more income, at least consider dealing with a reputable adult like pchee2. The man does a lot of trading/selling (at least he used to), and he's fair and reliable.
I've dealt with quite a few people here in the past & haven't had issues until now. I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of this, I just wanted to let others know. It was the others in this thread who've made it such a big issue.
"Advertisers -- you too can have access to this prime demographic"[/quote]
Edited on 9/23/2003 12:17 PM
Post by: michelle on September 23, 2003, 04:37:54 PM
The most telling comment comes from another site, as posted by the powers that be from the center from whence Jr. claims as home...
Revs Jr is a 14 year old second year junior bowler. Revs Jr averages [xxx] in our Junior Bowling Program at Rebelanes. He works part time at Rebelanes as a Birthday Party Host and has been granted considerable priveleges by the ownership at Rebelanes to better his game and try to become a better bowler. However, as can be seen sometimes youthful enthusiasm can be over taken by one's mouth.
***I edited out the average as I failed to see how it was remotely relevant to a trade or other transaction
Caution must be used in dealing with any transaction here, but issues like Bjaardker had to deal with are why dealing with minors is overly risky.
Post by: michelle on September 23, 2003, 05:12:42 PM
Post by: MTFD24 on September 24, 2003, 12:41:43 AM
Hmmmm, don't ever remember people like Bones, Hose, Michelle, Doug, or a host of other fantastic regulars changing names. Unless of course it was for some good natured kidding
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Post by: TyLytle on September 26, 2003, 04:37:42 PM
LOL
Ty