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kidlost2000

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Very disapponting experience
« on: April 05, 2010, 03:23:06 PM »
Bought a Brunswick Wild Ride from Warren300 for $65 shipped as advertised. Balls were all first quality, 20+ available ect ect.

Got a tracking number and the ball in no time. Didn''t pay much attention other then the ball was a little duller then ones I''ve seen.

Two days later I decided to go by my bros and throw the ball on the spinner to shine it up and get it where I want it and notice the ball has a very distinct flat spot inside the Big B logo on the bottom of the B.

I know this is where Brunswick use to mark balls as 2nds and decided to check the box. On the box is the stamp from Brunswick in black ink marked 2nd which had been marked/scribbled over in black magic marker to cover it.

So back to checking the ball. It looked like someone had hit the logo part with a dremel tool and then put the ball on a spinner to sand it out. The ball still had the swirl marks with it starting at the flat spot.

Found another individual who just left positive feed back on here for warren300 on the same ball and sent him what I noticed on mine and asked if he had checked his over. He replied he just did and it was the exact same way. The ball the box and everything.

Warren300 advised they were all first and offered a refund or another ball if I returned it. I went through paypal and got a refund for $15 which he agreed to, which is what it would cost for me to have that spot repaired.

I would have paid $65 shipped just as fast for a 2nd of this ball as a first but I am extremely disappointed that someone would do something like that and say it was the only one, when I had already found a second one he sold in the same condition.

I have to have it repaired because 95% of the ways I would like to lay the ball out put the flat spot in my track area.


So something to consider when buying.
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 07:39:19 AM »
What..... Wow.. There are two sides to every story.. so I will reserve judgement.. but the scribble on the box thing seems to say something in itself...
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 07:45:14 AM »
Claiming they're firsts when they're actually 2nds, and doctoring the balls/boxes to fit the description? Not to mention trying to lie to the customer and claim that it was the only one, when in fact the customer had already verified that it wasn't.

Sounds like a bad deal, regardless if he made it 'right' by doing the 15$ refund to get it fixed..

Complete and utter BS to pull that sort of thing. Definitely won't buy from him.

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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 11:41:59 AM »
If this was on purpose and not something he acquired and didn't notice... yes indeed an all time low...
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 11:45:39 AM »
If it's the same party I'm thinking of, I've seen his screen name on here for a long, long time, and I never recall hearing of anything like this before. I hope everything comes out and this ends up being nothing more than an unfortunate misunderstanding because it would suck to have to put a long-time guy on the already long list of people you can't trust around here. I guess we'll see.
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 01:56:46 PM »
That is why I listed everything and you can make your own decision. He had plenty of people listed as customers he sold to and ect, which is one of the first things I asked about before buying to make sure it wasn't just some nobody taking money.

The second thing was when I saw someone else left him positive feedback for the same ball and told them my situation and they followed up with, wow I didn't even look really but mine is the same way.

We both agreed we would have still paid that price gladly for a second. I have had a few Brunswick seconds and loved them. (currently have two in bag, Cold Fury, Diamondback Pearl) Couldn't really tell why they were seconds. This was no different. The color looked like it may have been a little dark, but everything else was perfect.

That is why I said it is very disappointing, and I'm just curious if any others bought any Wild Rides and experienced or even noticed.

This ball was about to go in the closet till next year had I not decided to go ahead and polish it real quick.
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 02:03:47 PM »
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That is why I listed everything and you can make your own decision. He had plenty of people listed as customers he sold to and ect, which is one of the first things I asked about before buying to make sure it wasn't just some nobody taking money.

The second thing was when I saw someone else left him positive feedback for the same ball and told them my situation and they followed up with, wow I didn't even look really but mine is the same way.

We both agreed we would have still paid that price gladly for a second. I have had a few Brunswick seconds and loved them. (currently have two in bag, Cold Fury, Diamondback Pearl) Couldn't really tell why they were seconds. This was no different. The color looked like it may have been a little dark, but everything else was perfect.

That is why I said it is very disappointing, and I'm just curious if any others bought any Wild Rides and experienced or even noticed.

This ball was about to go in the closet till next year had I not decided to go ahead and polish it real quick.
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Got any pic's of the ball and the box?
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 02:06:58 PM »
I have bought stuff from Warren and have had nothing but good experinces.

I am shocked
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 02:19:57 PM »
pics in about ten minutes.

Almost done. The ones of the ball don''t show up great, but if you enlarge it and look at the bottom of the Big B you can see it a little. Also if you enlarge it you can see the sanding marks from the ball spinner trying to cover up the dremel tool work



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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 02:32:17 PM »
Box

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/soundcontrol/box-1.jpg

Ball 1 Side view

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/soundcontrol/ball1.jpg

Ball 2 Sanding swirl

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/soundcontrol/ball3.jpg

Ball 3

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/soundcontrol/ball2.jpg

The flat spot is about the size of a finger print.
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 03:05:46 PM »
The pics don''t show anything but the box for sure shows a 2nd. I am surprised warren300 has not come into this post and explained what happened.. He has been on this site a very long time and IMO should be explaining his actions..
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 03:09:55 PM »
The attempt, by whomever, to cover the '2nd' stamp, is to say the least, hilarious!
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 03:13:50 PM »
Can you find anything else wrong with the ball which would make it a 2nd? If not, $65 shipped sounds like a fair deal, even with the flat spot. It's the "truth in advertising" part that I wouldn't be too happy about (if in fact it was doctored).
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 03:44:03 PM »
magic marker.. gotta love it.. warren has done right by me in all of my past interactions... its got to be some logical reason... i just cant imagine him doing that....
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Re: Very disapponting experience
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 04:21:28 PM »
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Can you find anything else wrong with the ball which would make it a 2nd? If not, $65 shipped sounds like a fair deal, even with the flat spot. It''s the "truth in advertising" part that I wouldn''t be too happy about (if in fact it was doctored).
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I''m guessing the reason it was a second is the color looks a little dark. Pin cg mb placement aren''t straight but not off but much and favors a right handed bowler.

You can''t really see the mark but if you look at this pic and open it full screen then click to enlarge you can kinda see the indention in the bottom of the Big B along with the sanding swirls from being put on the ball spinner.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg252/soundcontrol/ball1.jpg

It is more defined in person and the part that really sucks and the reason I have to repair it is because for many drill patterns that spot ends up in my track area pretty easily.

Like I said he offered a refund, or replacement and when I countered with just a partial refund of $15 for repairs(which would be better then paying to mail it back and ect) he agreed to it and did through a claim I started on paypal within a day. It is the fact someone did this to at least two customers that is the messed up part.


I didn''t come on here saying anything crazy like some would. Just saying what happened, how it was resolved, and people can make their own choices from there on whom they buy from and at least be more informed and careful.
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