All i got to say is...Pocket What? Well what i mean is, this thing destroys the pins. Pin is up and between middle finger and ring, and the cg is kicked out to the right of my ring finger. I throw the ball at a decent speed about 16-17 and have good hand in the ball, I usually play around third arrow if now a little left of it. As some of you know if you have read other posts from me which i think is one post i have been throwing the FlipSide Wicked. I love that ball to death but lately i have had to polish it with 1500 finesse every week or two. So it starts to die if i dont polish it and clean it up. But a guy that I know, had this Icon2 drilled out and he didnt like it all that much, it was too much of a condition ball for him. Actually the first time i threw this ball it hooked out of my hand, and i didnt like it. But today he put it up for sale and i took it off the rack, and threw it a few times. It was left box finish and i threw it around 3 arrow, trying the same shot with my wicked, and it slid and slid and slid, and then boom. I started to break evenly and then really reved up and made a left turn. I tried different lines with it, like straight up second and 5th arrow, and every time i crushed the pocket. Condition ball? I think not. Great ball, slides a lot for the duller coverstock. Good think i got this ball High School State Finals is tomorrow and Saturday. Good ole Royal Scot Lanes, good thing they have the same shot as my home house...Lowell Lanes. I review this ball later on after i put a lot of games on it.