I guess my throwing style may come in handy for u Pro's too . I really like to play the outside shot . I do not get alot of hand in my release . When i throw my Rock , or the Storm , i am throwing out over the 3rd arrow , it goes about the 8 board and comes back . With my Messenger i play the 10 board, to the 5 and back in . I just love the way the Rock hits the pocket . there is no comparrison in the way the other balls hit . If i put my Rock, and my Messenger in the same Bowling Bag , Would they Mate , and give me a hybrid ? If so , that is the ball i would want.