Post by: TrackMaster on December 25, 2009, 04:44:32 AM
Post by: themagician on December 25, 2009, 12:46:59 PM
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Post by: TrackMaster on December 25, 2009, 12:49:21 PM
Post by: snowspike1 on December 25, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
Post by: charlest on December 25, 2009, 03:27:22 PM
Columbia needs a true light oil ball with a real core. No, the Scout is not that ball.
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Post by: TrackMaster on December 25, 2009, 06:13:41 PM
Post by: snowspike1 on December 25, 2009, 09:55:21 PM
in my 5 man team by the 3rd gm i have to throw at 19 to 20 mph to keep the pocket and get the corner pins. gong to try and resurface a GM to 2000+polish (unless someone has other suggestions for surface) and see if it will work but till then.
With the trend of useing less oil, why not bring back the urethane.
Edited on 12/25/2009 11:57 PM
Post by: batbowler on December 25, 2009, 10:09:35 PM
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Post by: justdale on December 25, 2009, 10:26:31 PM
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Freeze is too damn strong, as Columbia's mildest, true dynamic core.
Columbia needs a true light oil ball with a real core. No, the Scout is not that ball.
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Post by: justdale on December 25, 2009, 10:34:19 PM
with that being said, a urethane ball has a place, but really how many times would you really need to use it.
Today''s high volume of oil in leagues and tournaments just doesn''t call for a whole lot of different urethanes.
This is just my opinion, so don''t get your panties in a twist
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They had a urethane ball called the Scout that didn''t sell and Chad Murphy said there''s not a big enough market for a urethane ball!
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Post by: justdale on December 25, 2009, 10:38:58 PM
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well how much demand is there oing to be for all these "hook monsters" everyone is making.
in my man team by the 3rd gm i have to throw at 19 to 20 mph to keep the pocket and get the corner pins. gong to try and resurface a GM to 2000+polish (unless someone has other suggestions for surface) and see if it will work but till then.
With the trend of useing less oil, why not bring back the urethane.
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Columbia 300 Utah Amateur Staff
Post by: cheech on December 27, 2009, 08:31:09 AM
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Post by: TrackMaster on December 27, 2009, 09:11:51 AM
Post by: A_P_K on December 27, 2009, 09:16:31 AM
Where Charlest and I bowl even a Jazz is too strong.
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Post by: VBP-Dustin on December 29, 2009, 01:05:22 PM
Post by: TrackMaster on December 29, 2009, 01:22:53 PM
Post by: greenefam on January 15, 2010, 07:59:18 AM
For the past month of so the biggest seller has been the Freeze. The Freeze is by far that best ball for the price in the market these days. I used to sell either Tropicals and Scouts, but now I sell Freezes and Rayzrs.
From my perspective a solid version would basically round out my entry level reactive price point. I would then have a true mild but strong-hitting reactive (Rayzr), a medium oil ball with hook (Freeze), and a medium oil smooth roller (solid Freeze).
Post by: AdrianS on January 18, 2010, 06:27:33 PM
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 18, 2010, 06:39:24 PM
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Post by: cheech on January 18, 2010, 09:50:28 PM
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Post by: urbanshaft on January 18, 2010, 11:15:22 PM
that would just be deadly
Post by: batbowler on January 18, 2010, 11:31:53 PM
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Post by: rvmark on January 19, 2010, 04:51:56 AM
Today''s high volume of oil in leagues and tournaments just doesn''t call for a whole lot of different urethanes.
This is just my opinion, so don''t get your panties in a twist
Dale not being critical or saying they need to make a Urethane ball, but in the case of the house where I bowl league they must have a severe oil shortage because about the only ball in my bag that I can throw consistently without lofting the gutter by the end of the night is my RG Mercury, and from seeing several other posts over the past 6 months I would have to say there are several centers putting out less instead of more oil.
Mark
Post by: jls on January 21, 2010, 05:20:50 PM
I'll guess we will just have to wait and see...
I'm sure more are coming... Kinda thinking one will come out in a 2000 or 4000 A-pad finish....
We shall see....
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Post by: BowlOgre21 on January 22, 2010, 12:05:45 AM
Post by: jls on January 22, 2010, 08:05:58 AM
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When did price point = hook? I love my Freeze, but its my weak ball. For the same price an Onyx Vibe would outhook a Freeze yes? For about the same a Furious would as well? With the Freeze apparently selling very well, we can hope a solid version comes out. Heck I know I'd buy one and the Freeze is my only Columbia ball!
Excellent point... A great go to ball.....
I would hope that Columbia would bring out a second Freeze line...A ball that can handle more oil, etc... And be more in the $150-$170 range...
Yes I know that the Noize line is in that range.... But seriously, The Freeze name is Tops right now... To me the Noize is yesterdays news...
I think a new freeze line in addition to the current line would be an awesome combo... $109-$119 on the Freeze line, and $150-$170 on a new Super Freeze line....
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on January 22, 2010, 08:15:40 AM
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All right guys, let's put this one to bed. there is no chance a solid Freeze is coming. The ball as is hooks to much for the price point. It would be irresponsible at this point to make it hook even more.
No new names, no solid colors I'm guessing just some new friendly colors coming.
Right now there are alot of balls out there that hook too much for the price point. What makes you say there is "no chance" of a solid Freeze? About 95% in reference to equipment is about more hook.
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Post by: Kwilke on January 27, 2010, 10:20:24 PM
. Now to compare a onyx vibe or furious to the freeze well you just cant, Freeze wins hands down in normal cases better value at its price range. I like the idea of creating a new line but to take the freeze name and throw it into a different price range I don't think will work. If we are talking about Columbia there is a big selection with barely any holes i think. From the Scouts to the freeze. Then Freeze to the Noize line ( Loud Noize, Sharp Noize, Cool Noize, Noize). Then Noize's to the Bedlam and Total Bedlam. Now the Pure Swing, Full Swing. Try to Squeeze another name line in there would be hard. Very diverse line of bowling balls to fill any hole in your arsenal for any skill level.--------------------
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Post by: urbanshaft on January 29, 2010, 07:41:10 AM
Post by: wasted talent on January 31, 2010, 12:35:53 AM
Post by: TamerBowling on January 31, 2010, 07:55:14 AM
As others mentioned, the Freeze is well below Furious and Vibe price point so having some options there would be good, considering how well the Freeze is doing.