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Maelstrom

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Columbia concerning 'breakthrough' coverstocks...
« on: November 03, 2004, 02:41:21 PM »
I am going to make this short and simple, why does columbia like or tend to release these 'breakthrough' coverstock in thier sub-divisions and/or companies they manufacture balls for. For example, the old Nu-Line X-Caliber or whatever it was called was the first resin ever if I am not mistaken, and columbia made thier balls, as seeing they used many older columbias cores, though they may have been related to track. And now they are coming out with this new Epoxy Resin through AMF none the less. Particle and carbide balls were invented somewhere in there, though I am not sure where or by whom.

So the question is, why does columbia like to do this, just out of curiosity.
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Re: Columbia concerning 'breakthrough' coverstocks...
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2004, 11:06:12 PM »
Nu-line was its own small company like morich or lane 1 so columbia just poured for them. I think Brunswick pro zone were the first particle balls made but not sure if chaos series was first or second to brunswick. Carbide was used by Lane 1 in there particle buzzsaws i have 2 still one with under 5 games i found it this year nib at the suncoast here in vegas for 135.00. Ball still hokks aton for an older ball design and used to be an oil monster but now is more medium/heavy oil.

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Re: Columbia concerning 'breakthrough' coverstocks...
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2004, 11:13:56 PM »
The Pro Zones were the first particles. It has been said that Columbia had the technology to create particles but it was destroyed in the fire a few years back. So they did not get particles on the market first.

Bowling balls today rely so much on the coverstock. If you can release a coverstock that is going to change things or pave a road that just about everyone is going to want to follow then do so. There have been good and bad released by several different companies.

Look back over time.....the only thing constant in bowling is Change. Lane conditioners change...lane surfaces change, bowling balls change, wrist devices change....everything changes. So it is about the latest and greatest.....and who is going to find it.
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Re: Columbia concerning 'breakthrough' coverstocks...
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2004, 12:10:42 AM »
The original Excaliburs' were not made by Columbia, they (Nu Line) made them themselves.  They were hugely popular and Nu Line could not meet demand.  From what I had been told also is Columbia bought them to get the technology for the reactive resin.  Supposedly, the original resin balls were a mistake???  I do know the original ones were not made by Columbia.
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Re: Columbia concerning 'breakthrough' coverstocks...
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2004, 12:23:29 AM »
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The Pro Zones were the first particles.


Well, if you believe Bill Taylor, the original LT-48s were particle balls.

IIRC, the Jade Quantums predated the Zone Pros, but only by a few months.
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Re: Columbia concerning 'breakthrough' coverstocks...
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2004, 08:06:08 AM »
It is said that the Orange dot was particle also........but when I say first particles I mean since they became popular.
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Re: Columbia concerning 'breakthrough' coverstocks...
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2004, 08:45:21 AM »
So then Nu Line was there own company at first, but columbia bought them so they could keep themselves in buisiness. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Columbia concerning 'breakthrough' coverstocks...
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2004, 10:25:04 AM »
From what I've seen, Nu Line was like a lot of other companies in the late eighties that basically started with a guy "mixing stuff in his bath tub."  The reactive coverstock was a happy accident.  They were made by Nu-Line for a while until they couldn't keep up with the demand.  Then Columbia took over production shortly after.  

From what our AMF rep says about the "Epoxy Balls," they were created by the engineers/chemists, etc at AMF before they officially became AMF300.  Because columbia wanted to revive the AMF brand they entered into an agreement where the new coverstocks would be used on AMF300 balls for something like a year, than they would be fair game for the rest of the company.  

It makes sense to me, at least, to start off your innovations with a smaller subsidiary.  GM did it for years.  They would try something new with Oldsmobile, if it worked, it would than be used on Cadillacs and than be filtered into the rest of the company.  Front-wheel drive started with the Toronado, was a success, and was than Put into the Cadillac Eldorado and popularized.  Had GM started off with the Eldo, and it was a flop, than the Cadillac name would have been besmirched.  (This was in the 60s when Cadillac was the standard of the world.)  Better to let the lesser subsidiary take the fall than the flagship brand.

The same applies here.  The Epoxy balls have been pushed back, and pushed back, and supposedly have quality control problems right now.  If Columbia had put their name behind it, they would be responsible for the failings of th new technology.  Now, if the balls come out, and they suck.  Columbia doesn't take the fall.  Now, the worst thing that happens is that AMF300, a "new" relatively untested part of the company can be used as a guinea pig.  If it's a flop, than AMF300 fails, and Columbia can write it off.  If it's a success, than Columbia can revive the AMF name and eventually use the technology in it's flagship equipment.

If Columbia had this option with the original TEC balls, they might not have dropped so far from grace when "TEC death" became the industry buzz word.  If Columbia had owned and had total control of Nu-Line or AMF or whatever before the original Chaos came out, they would have had some time to do more testing and tweaking without sadling themselves with bad press.

Brunswick seemed to like to do everything in the opposite fashion.  They had Brunswick Technology Ventures (Quantum).  They used this as an expensive flagship brand.  Here they tested out the new premium technology, sold it for a lot more money, and than let it trickle down to the regular Brunswick balls.  Brunswick made great strides in coverstock technology with the Quantums.  They messed around with the Helix and Double Helix.  They introduced their first particle ball, the Jade Quantum.  They also created some pretty potent reactive coverstocks.  If I'm not mistaken, PK 18 first came out on the Violet Quantum and the Fire Quantum and was extremely successful.  After that it was wrapped around the Zone core and the rest is history.  Brunswick also used the Revolution line to experiment.  If I'm not mistaken, Brunswick experimented with assymetrics and mass bias balls for the first time since the Phantoms, with the Revolution line.

It is always easier to experiment with new technology in a sub-division where you aren't going to stain the name of the main company itself.  You can always lose a sub-division, but you can't always come back from a total PR failure.  

Hopefully that all makes sense and isn't too rambling,

Mankow