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LuckyLefty

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Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« on: May 05, 2017, 03:07:05 PM »
Columbia 300 gurus,

Anyone tried the Scout/R Black Solid?

I am lately throwing rubber on my Extreme Wet Dry house shot!  I can't miss  up somewhere from 6 to 9 at the arrows night depending! However,  I am also not always carrying!  Imagine that!

Have seen the Pitch black on the right looking a little grabby trying to do this same thing.  I am wondering if the secret to playing this harsh of a wet dry shot this direct is the pancake weight block!

I have a Blue Tornado solid that forces me to 15 16 at the arrows but this is a Pancake plus puck weight block!

Anyone tried the pancake only Scout reactive mentioned above?  Allow one to play like my trust 4 to 6 board hook rubber ball?  I am getting ready to try a pearl Tornado Warning (pancake block) on this shot. 

The above Black Scout solid, a Good ball for playing this type of shot, Straight up in the friction?

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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2017, 04:24:59 PM »
Isn't the black one the urethane one? Are you talking about the Ebonite made ones or San Antonio ones?

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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2017, 04:47:53 PM »
The black is 2000 grit resin. And pretty strong for no core.Lefty, I believe has a lower speed so this would probably be a great option. I'm a big fan of pancake core reactives for hooking conditions. You can shape the backend with your release. The more you give it at the bottom, the stronger it responds down the lane and not early, so moves left actually work over strong core urethane.

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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2017, 06:49:52 PM »
Plastic ball with or without core and add surface. Also wouldn't hurt to post video of you bowling on said condition.
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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2017, 07:02:12 PM »
I love your thoughts about the pancake weight block. I'm also a lefty with more revs than speed, my solution on wet/dry house is an old Blue Angle sanded to 5000 grit riding the oil line. Gets better hit being urethane, but between the 5000 grit and the pancake it's pretty hard to get it to over. Since this is a Columbia 300 board, why not find an old Black U-Dot?  Good luck!!

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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2017, 07:29:06 PM »
I believe these are the same entry level covers that they've used on the Jazz and previous scouts, just sanded. Those are weaker covers by todays standard, but they will move (alot) in a lot of friction. I have a lefty friend with a 500rpm revrate and like a 15mph speed. He's restricted to really old equipment for the most part, but he throws this Black Scout a lot on the fresh right up the track. And switches off to the blue/green Pearl Scout.

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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2017, 11:03:36 AM »
This question intrigues me because I like throwing a C300 original Yellow Dot when bowling on lighter volumes or anytime there is enough free hook. Don't have trouble with it going through the pins unless I threw it bad. Being able to get a similar look on wet/dry house and still carry, that would be awesome.
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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2017, 12:02:15 PM »
I've been a fan of the scouts/jazz, but haven't thrown one in years. before the house bought their new lanes, I was on a lot of friction. The jazz was perfect with a higher grit for my low tilt and average AR at 45* at the time.

At another house out of state, On W/D, it was a killer with many bowlers what ever side they bowled. Black was popular.... also I had a particle scout back then lol
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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2017, 10:03:32 AM »
Well, lots of good and interesting answers right now out here on this topic!

Some questions to , on these black Scout's?  For DP3 it sounds like we are talking about the same  Pancake weight block Solid Scout reactive?  DP are you talking about moves left for me a lefty?  With the rubber ball so far they are fantastic.  My bugaboo leaves with Rubber however are 10 pins! 

For Impending doom, was there a Black scout urethane?  Thanks!

Some more fodder for discussion.  So, here is what I have noticed and been informed I am correct about.  The Scouts, Tornados of about 12 years ago are different from today's Tornado warnings and Scouts.

The old ones a combo of pancake and offset lower pucks with diffs in the .35 + range!

Those balls at least in solid (Tornado)I can wind on and play where other strong handed high speed bowlers are successfully using today's stronger symmetrics!

I do have a Pearl Tornado of the same type and it is very strongly drilled and hooks a TON on my extreme left side wet dry(ball very recently split).

What I haven't had till now is a pancake only Scout or Tornado. In either pearl or solid.  However,as of today I do and it is in final prep for drilling a pearl Tornado Warning.  I will be surprised if this works..but I am open minded.

In the mean time I am going somedays now over 30 consecutive shots without missing my pocket with my old 16 pound rubber Brunswick alley ball with fingertip!  In the past when I had seen pancake reactives like the Gyro from Ebonite I had noted the lack of hit and attack angle.  Of course that had been from other bowlers most of whom don't create the sharp backend attack angles  I do with today's powerhouse reactives and my soft speed and heavy fingers style.

Of course I had not used a pancake block except for a spare ball until I applied my Rubber ball to this laughably harsh wet dry house shot I am on(blends out on the right I note before the end of practice).  Of course with the rubber it looks like the most beautifully blended house shot ever!

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS regarding trying plastic.  I have a slightly dullish pancake spare ball, that forces me in to 12 at the lay down point and then doesn't have enough recovery to drive the pocket.  The rubber on the other hand on this shot where they keep an almost 3 foot buffer from the foul line to the start of oil can be set down at 6 7 or 8 in the dry and slowly wind its way slowly back to the pocket.  Total actual hook with the point slightly up to the pocket can't be much more 5 to 6 inches.
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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2017, 11:23:38 AM »
The only suggestion I can make is if you are forced deeper with whatever cover you are using, then you may want more differential than what a pancake core will provide.  Pancake cores are great when you can play more direct.  But once you start to migrate in, you will want the additional differential from more modern cores.  Not saying you need 0.050+in of differential, but you will need more than the typical <0.010 in pancakes will give you.

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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 02:01:04 PM »
SPM, I agree!

That is what I like so much about the rubber.  This dullish ball, pushes down through what my reactives make look like cement! at the Wall barrier! 

I just keep wondering if a Solid Reactive Pancake like the Scout reactive will also want to jump off the cement at 9-10, and then won't have the ability to turn the corner if I can't play out....?

Hmmm?

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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2017, 06:43:31 PM »
Actually the Scouts diff is .020.The Tropical Breeze from Storm is .009.Breeze does have a light bulb core.I used a Scout at a wood house for years.Averaged 229 and was all I used one year.This was a very dry condition and Scout was only thing I could get down the lane.Other than plastic which had no hit the Scouts are a good option.It was from the old Columbia plant.Not sure what kind of difference there is now.I have been thinking of getting another one for short patterns.
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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2017, 10:17:44 PM »
This is a great discussion! Please keep it up! Might even end up trying a Scout depending on how this discussion goes.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Columbia 300 Scout/R Black Solid
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2017, 12:48:42 PM »
Just to clarify. The new Pancake only scouts differentials are .20. The old say around 2003 to 2009 were around .35 when they had an additional offset puck.  The Tornados with pancake and offset pucks  of the same time were about .41.

Anyone out here actually used one of the new pancake only Solid Black reactive scouts?

Regards,

Lucklefty
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