Author Topic: Complete Bedlam vs Pure Swing vs Mission (Read 4483 times)

Kinalyx · « **on:** June 19, 2010, 11:26:30 AM »

The numbers on the CB are comparible with the pure swing so im hoping someone has thrown both & can give me a quick comparison. I would also like to know where these fit in with a mission.

Also, how would these match up against a mission at the same surface?

Shawn
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In the bag

Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60Âº) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70Âº, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??

B Red · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2010, 01:11:22 PM »

I put the same layout on my Complete Bedlam that I put on my Pure Swing. At box, the Complete Bedlam has just as much length as the Pure Swing but is much more controllable down the lane. I'm a big fan of how predicatble this ball is overall.

If you took the Mission to the same Tour Finish that the Complete Bedlam and Pure Swing have, I'd imagine the Mission to be earlier and stronger down the lane compared to the Complete Bedlam. Keep in mind, the layouts must be the same to have a completely parallel comparision.
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Kinalyx · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2010, 01:36:19 PM »

See thats kinda what i was thinking. For some reason a few of the guys around here that have thrown both, as well as my pro shop guy, think that the pure swing is longer & definitely stronger than the mission. Theyre thinking the pure is about 3-4 boards stronger than the mission overall at the same finish.

I guess its lucky im going with a pin 1" closer to my PAP on the pure & that i have a little polish over the factory 2000ab on my mission.

This SHOULD make the pure swing a little stronger than my mission, with a bit more length.

I need something angular, the only other angular ball i have in my bag is my fast, it just doesnt turn the corner on carry down at all.

Shawn
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In the bag

Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60Âº) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70Âº, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??

Sean12x · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2010, 02:45:44 PM »

I had a pure swing that was drilled the same as my mission that I have now. From what I remember the pure swing covered just as many boards as the mission just a little bit more of a skid/flip. Both on a house shot were very similar for me by my memory, I never threw them side by side though, hope this helps.

r534me · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2010, 02:12:38 AM »

I am curious about the the same surfaces. The Mission is 500-1000-2000 versus the Pure Swing which is 800-1000 polished. Bringing to the same surface would be Mission 800-1000 polished or pure 500-1000-2000?

Southern_Info · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2010, 11:52:36 AM »

I owned both balls not too long ago before selling my mission. I can tell you I had my mission drilled very tamed and it was definitely seven boards stronger than my pure swing with a polish on it. The mission read the lanes very early, it is very smooth through the mid part of the lane and has a strong move on the back end.

I've been reading what other people replied on this post and some of their reviews are totally opposite of what I'm saying. I think it has to do a lot with bowler style. I'm a power player with a tweener style, who has a lot of hand. I generally like to stand on twenty on a fresh pair of oiled lanes, have the ball go over twelve and my break point would be board five. Maybe this can give you some insight as to what your looking for in comparison.
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2010 is the first time joining a league since 1999. Over a 10 year lay off and haven't lost much of my game. This year currently HG-279 x 2, HS-733.

Kinalyx · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2010, 03:49:20 PM »

No offense, but if ur a "power player" with "a lot of hand", you must be bowling on what i would consider a flood. I have a fairly high rev rate, & above average speed, & i am nearly never right of 15 at the arrows. I would kill to be able to get as far outside as you. The only way i play 12 to 5 is with urethane.

Im not saying you dont have more hand than the average bowler, but u dont have what i would call "a lot of hand", that is reserved for people above 450rpms in my book.

Shawn
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In the bag

Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60Âº) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70Âº, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??

MrPerfect · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2010, 04:02:08 PM »

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No offense, but if ur a "power player" with "a lot of hand", you must be bowling on what i would consider a flood. I have a fairly high rev rate, & above average speed, & i am nearly never right of 15 at the arrows. I would kill to be able to get as far outside as you. The only way i play 12 to 5 is with urethane.

Im not saying you dont have more hand than the average bowler, but u dont have what i would call "a lot of hand", that is reserved for people above 450rpms in my book.

Shawn
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In the bag

Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60Âº) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70Âº, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??

Personally, if you can't play outside 15 with that many revs then you should probably work on your versatility.

Kinalyx · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2010, 10:37:22 PM »

its not that i "cant" there is just no need to. I also never hit enough oil to be able to. I can play outside of it when given the oil to do so. Trust me, when i get some oil & get to play up 10, i love it.

I was just simply stating that if he plays 12 to 5, hes either on much heavier oil than i see, or his rev rate isnt what i would call "a lot of hand"

If i want to throw weaker equipment, & play outside, i can, im just more comfortable inside, & if the shot is there, y would i move out?

Im not trying to be cocky, i never said i was an amazing bowler, im not. I just know that in any center in houston, there isnt enough oil to play outside of 15-17 at the arrows with any sort of rev rate & anything but a fairly weak ball.

Shawn
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In the bag

Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60Âº) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70Âº, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??

r534me · « **Reply #9 on:** June 22, 2010, 12:02:03 AM »

quote:
No offense, but if ur a "power player" with "a lot of hand", you must be bowling on what i would consider a flood. I have a fairly high rev rate, & above average speed, & i am nearly never right of 15 at the arrows. I would kill to be able to get as far outside as you. The only way i play 12 to 5 is with urethane.

Im not saying you dont have more hand than the average bowler, but u dont have what i would call "a lot of hand", that is reserved for people above 450rpms in my book.

Shawn
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In the bag

Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60Âº) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70Âº, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??

But where are you standing? If I played 15 straight up I would be in the right gutter most of the time. I played the chameleon pattern yesterday and I was standing thirty hitting 13-14 at the arrows with a pin up, polished cell. I was in the pocket the entire time I was there.

In a different house playing a house shot I was standing in the same place on the approach and I tugged the ball and hit 17 at the arrows and I took out the 6-10 on the right side(left handed). This was with my OOB pin down mission.

Revs is only part of the equation. Side roll or tilt is another part of it.

Edited on 6/22/2010 0:06 AM

Oh and speed..forgot about that.

Edited on 6/22/2010 2:39 AM

Southern_Info · « **Reply #10 on:** June 22, 2010, 07:26:54 AM »

quote:
No offense, but if ur a "power player" with "a lot of hand", you must be bowling on what i would consider a flood. I have a fairly high rev rate, & above average speed, & i am nearly never right of 15 at the arrows. I would kill to be able to get as far outside as you. The only way i play 12 to 5 is with urethane.

Im not saying you dont have more hand than the average bowler, but u dont have what i would call "a lot of hand", that is reserved for people above 450rpms in my book.

Shawn
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In the bag

Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60Âº) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70Âº, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??

Okay handologist! I'm just able to play multiple lines, different ball speeds, different hand positions and bowling styles which would obviously make me a very versatile player. Take a look at the picture below. Here is a picture of my invasion and the mission I sold. Look at the drilling layouts. Both balls hook the exact amount over all on the lane but the mission reads the lanes sooner than my invasion with a polish on it. You can tell obviously that the mission was drilled very tamed. When bowling with the mission I would stand on twenty-five, roll over eighteen and the break point would be at board six. Now for my pure swing it is drilled with the all purpose layout for medium track off the drilling instruction sheet from columbia 300. Now go figure.

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2059933590106523547yBKMWM
http://columbia300.com/images/uploads/product_drilling/Mass_Bias_drillingSM.pdf

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2010 is the first time joining a league since 1999. Over a 10 year lay off and haven't lost much of my game. This year currently HG-279 x 2, HS-733.

agroves · « **Reply #11 on:** June 22, 2010, 07:39:05 AM »

FWIW, when I bowled in the midwest/south, there was rarely enough oil to play right of 15 at the arrows. When shopping for a new ball, I was always looking at the weaker equipment out...(Monster Slayr, Punisher, etc). When I moved to the NW, I immediately started looking at the other end of the spectrum regarding equipment.

It all depends on where you bowl and how much volume is out.
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r534me · « **Reply #12 on:** June 22, 2010, 11:28:42 AM »

quote:
quote:
No offense, but if ur a "power player" with "a lot of hand", you must be bowling on what i would consider a flood. I have a fairly high rev rate, & above average speed, & i am nearly never right of 15 at the arrows. I would kill to be able to get as far outside as you. The only way i play 12 to 5 is with urethane.

Im not saying you dont have more hand than the average bowler, but u dont have what i would call "a lot of hand", that is reserved for people above 450rpms in my book.

Shawn
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In the bag

Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60Âº) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70Âº, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??

Okay handologist! I'm just able to play multiple lines, different ball speeds, different hand positions and bowling styles which would obviously make me a very versatile player. Take a look at the picture below. Here is a picture of my invasion and the mission I sold. Look at the drilling layouts. Both balls hook the exact amount over all on the lane but the mission reads the lanes sooner than my invasion with a polish on it. You can tell obviously that the mission was drilled very tamed. When bowling with the mission I would stand on twenty-five, roll over eighteen and the break point would be at board six. Now for my pure swing it is drilled with the all purpose layout for medium track off the drilling instruction sheet from columbia 300. Now go figure.

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2059933590106523547yBKMWM
http://columbia300.com/images/uploads/product_drilling/Mass_Bias_drillingSM.pdf

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2010 is the first time joining a league since 1999. Over a 10 year lay off and haven't lost much of my game. This year currently HG-279 x 2, HS-733.

My x-factor is laid out the same way as your former mission except my thumb is drilled into the mb. It gets down the lane but it really bites on the back on shorter patterns. My VG was laid out similar to the Invasion. I really didn't match up with that drilling on that ball.

Kinalyx · « **Reply #13 on:** June 22, 2010, 07:27:07 PM »

quote:
FWIW, when I bowled in the midwest/south, there was rarely enough oil to play right of 15 at the arrows. When shopping for a new ball, I was always looking at the weaker equipment out...(Monster Slayr, Punisher, etc). When I moved to the NW, I immediately started looking at the other end of the spectrum regarding equipment.

It all depends on where you bowl and how much volume is out.
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Proshop Operator
North Bowl Bowling Center
www.northbowlspokane.com

Thank you.... Like i said, he is either hitting a ton more oil than i do, or his rev rate isnt overly high. Granted, i understand tilt, among other things has to be taken into account as well, but on the conditions i hit, outside of 15 typically hooks early for anyone with any sort of hand unless throwing something fairly weak.

Im no robert smith, & im aware of that, just simply stating that if i play 12 to 5 with anything i own but urethane, i miss the headpin left.

Shawn
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In the bag

Brunswick 3.5(pin over ring, mb 60Âº) light polish over OOB
Ebonite Mission(pin under bridge, MB 70Âº, low weight hole) polish over OOB
Storm Fast(pin under bridge, low weight hole)
Storm Natural(pin over ring)

Coming soon
high scores??

r534me · « **Reply #14 on:** June 22, 2010, 09:13:57 PM »

You didn't say where you stood while playing 15. When it's dry I play 15 from the right gutter(left handed).

Author Topic: Complete Bedlam vs Pure Swing vs Mission (Read 4483 times)

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