Try to use a stacked pattern on the drilling of these balls. A 4 X 4, or 4 1/2 X 4 1/2 with the pin in a position of at least as high as the ring finger, or posibly even over the ring finger, to get the length you need from these pieces with lower ball speed. The Action Packed will be more skid / flip due to the shell surface, and the Action will start sooner, and be more continuous. Hope this helps give you some ideas.