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Title: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: JK300JP on August 13, 2005, 04:31:27 AM: www.absbowling.co.jp/contents/videophoto_album/2005_ball/index.html

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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: bighook69 on August 13, 2005, 12:49:34 PM: it does for me

Man, Chris Barnes, coast to coast without killing his speed, Del Warren hooking it a ton and getting some crazy backend... everyone who threw the thing had 2 things in common... 1. lots of midlane and overall hook. 2. Crazy backend and carry! looks like a powerhouse of a ball!

but i think i'll hold off till the machine
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: WSUstroker on August 13, 2005, 12:54:24 PM: Very interesting video, thanks for posting that.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: DukeHarding on August 13, 2005, 12:54:49 PM: Great video.

I just wonder, if this ball absorbs oil, the way it did in the one shot in the video...where you could actually see the cover suck the oil off the surface in about 2 seconds . . . How would the lanes hold up for 2 teams of bowlers yusing this ball.

What will it do after the oil is gone, by the 5 th frame?

Lots of questions...
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: a_ak57 on August 13, 2005, 01:05:08 PM: It doesn't work for me. Can somebody save it as a normal video vile (like wmv or something) and upload that to megaupload.com so I can view it? Thanks.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: bighook69 on August 13, 2005, 01:08:02 PM: quote:
Great video.

I just wonder, if this ball absorbs oil, the way it did in the one shot in the video...where you could actually see the cover suck the oil off the surface in about 2 seconds . . . How would the lanes hold up for 2 teams of bowlers yusing this ball.

What will it do after the oil is gone, by the 5 th frame?

Lots of questions...
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I agree, in the few parts where you got to see how much oil was on the ball, it was plain to see that this ball is a sponge... I think that if 5 people were using this ball, by game 2-3 the area that they were playing would totally be torched...
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: bighook69 on August 13, 2005, 01:10:28 PM: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=243R5303

tell me if it works andy
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: J_Mac on August 13, 2005, 01:22:10 PM: quote:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=243R5303

tell me if it works andy
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That just ends up bringing up the same issue I bet...
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: bighook69 on August 13, 2005, 01:22:54 PM: chances are they cant view it because it is realplayer...
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: a_ak57 on August 13, 2005, 01:23:29 PM: quote:
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=243R5303

tell me if it works andy
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That just ends up bringing up the same issue I bet...
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Yeah, it does. My computer just won't play the ram file for some reason.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: J_Mac on August 13, 2005, 01:30:44 PM: quote:

Yeah, it does. My computer just won't play the ram file for some reason.
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No RealPlayer on that crate?

If it's any consolation the download is v e r y s l o w for me.
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Edited on 8/13/2005 1:24 PM
Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: a_ak57 on August 13, 2005, 01:34:44 PM: Yeah, it works on realplayer. I tried it. Windows media player was set by default to play everything, so...
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: Iketown300 on August 13, 2005, 01:35:53 PM: Who cares about the ball....i was checkin out Eryn Brooke...hellllllllllllllllooooooooooooooo.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: bighook69 on August 13, 2005, 01:39:22 PM: quote:
Who cares about the ball....i was checkin out Eryn Brooke...hellllllllllllllllooooooooooooooo.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: bighook69 on August 13, 2005, 01:40:35 PM: quote:
ALthough a HUGE Track fan, I've gotta say that this looks interesting.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: Koabzilla on August 13, 2005, 01:42:09 PM: so basically, the ball is just one big plug?
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: a_ak57 on August 13, 2005, 01:50:39 PM: After watching the vid, I can safely say that the video distinctly made me want to stay away from the ball. The ENTIRE point of the video was to talk about how much of a massive hook this thing has (but still hits great), and considering youth league patterns are mostly dry, I can safely say I have no desire for another hook monster.

Luckily Eryn Brooke made up for it, hehe.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: bighook69 on August 13, 2005, 01:56:37 PM: quote:
so basically, the ball is just one big plug?
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a big plug with a core and additives in the cover to make it hook more...
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: a_ak57 on August 13, 2005, 02:00:47 PM: Hmm, I just realized something. This DOES provide one advantage though. I think it would be a great idea for columbia to make plug material, except with the extra chemicals in it (since the cover is made of plug material). You know, so instead of just having normal plug in it, you can have "epx t1" plug material or whatever in it, so there is no difference in the cover from plugging it (like how normally the plug spots won't react like the rest of ball). Just an idea.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: sdbowler on August 13, 2005, 02:02:29 PM: Can't get either one to work at all.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: a_ak57 on August 13, 2005, 02:03:19 PM: quote:
Can't get either one to work at all.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: J_Mac on August 13, 2005, 02:13:12 PM: quote:
Hmm, I just realized something. This DOES provide one advantage though. I think it would be a great idea for columbia to make plug material, except with the extra chemicals in it (since the cover is made of plug material). You know, so instead of just having normal plug in it, you can have "epx t1" plug material or whatever in it, so there is no difference in the cover from plugging it (like how normally the plug spots won't react like the rest of ball). Just an idea.
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LMAO...probably would be cost prohibitive.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: mike_somd on August 13, 2005, 03:16:59 PM: quote:

Well, they know that's what most people want, more hook.

However, I liked the part where they talked about the increased durability, and the part where the ball won't lose friction over use as seen with particle balls. The 'increased durability' also requires less resurfacing. Supposedly.

It wasn't ENTIRELY about more hook, and those parts I mentioned are probably what the more experienced and knowledgable bowlers will like.

What I took from the video, I got it at bowlfest in seattle yesterday, was that the coverstock is very versatile. The way I understand it they can increase or decrease the amount of plasticizers(sp?) in the coverstock. By doing so they could use the same base for dry lanes and the same for the flood. They just brought the hook monster to the market for the hype it generates. The ball is ultra tacky. Just wish I could have seen it thrown.

I personally will have no need for the EPX T1.
Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: a_ak57 on August 13, 2005, 03:26:57 PM: quote:
quote:
Hmm, I just realized something. This DOES provide one advantage though. I think it would be a great idea for columbia to make plug material, except with the extra chemicals in it (since the cover is made of plug material). You know, so instead of just having normal plug in it, you can have "epx t1" plug material or whatever in it, so there is no difference in the cover from plugging it (like how normally the plug spots won't react like the rest of ball). Just an idea.
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LMAO...probably would be cost prohibitive.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: J_Mac on August 13, 2005, 07:23:07 PM: quote:
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Yeah, it does. My computer just won't play the ram file for some reason.
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No RealPlayer on that crate?

If it's any consolation the download is v e r y s l o w for me.
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Edited on 8/13/2005 1:24 PM

Have you been paying attention SB? It's not QT... it's RP
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: mike_somd on August 13, 2005, 07:32:35 PM: sb, save the file to disk and then right mouse click on it and choose open with and click choose program then select real media player, check always use selected program and hit ok. It sounds like quick time jacked the file association with ram and rm files.
Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: dirtbikebowler on August 13, 2005, 07:45:26 PM: Can some one tell me where this video is on the page bc i don't want to install the package to translate the page.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: J_Mac on August 13, 2005, 07:59:53 PM: http://www.absbowling.co.jp/contents/videophoto_album/2005_ball/epx_t1/epx_t1.ram
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: kingpin268 on August 13, 2005, 09:23:29 PM: Looks very tempting.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: kingpin268 on August 13, 2005, 09:34:28 PM: quote:
Did anybody else who haven't seen a picture of Mr. Pursel, picture him with more hair?

It does look interesting...hmm.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: kingpin268 on August 13, 2005, 09:48:32 PM: That would be something. There's only one answer. MORE LOFT lol. Try maybe 30-35 feet + 500 revs + heavy oil = X's on the board. Dont know if my mathematics are correct might need more loft to equal a strike
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: kingpin268 on August 13, 2005, 09:57:15 PM: Windows Media Player or Quicktime doesn't play Ram files. So save it to your documents and then right click and go to "properties" and then go to "opens with" and then at the bottom you should see in blue font "look for the appropriate program on the web" and then click on that. Should take you to the RealPlayer link. Or you could just go to RealPlayer's website if you know it. Follow the instructions for free download and then your all set. Hope it helps. Worked for me when nothing else played the file.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: Loudstriker on August 13, 2005, 11:18:20 PM: Okay, after a couple of techinical difficulties I have finally watched the video. I have come to the question, "How am I going to keep this ball from rolling out?" They say that it will be a great league ball, I want to go to the house that lays down the oil for this ball. On our freshest shot my Absolute Inferno is a little too much ball. I could never imagine even using an Ultimate Inferno (or something like that) let alone this ball.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: kingpin268 on August 13, 2005, 11:20:24 PM: It is simply the answer to all the younger bowlers and inexperienced bowlers dreams. MORE HOOK. More burnout unless we see the oil for it. More "I cant get it too hook" complaints. Me being one of them before I knew of burning up.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: jkiser01 on August 13, 2005, 11:35:18 PM: Great video once I got it to work. I will be getting one of these bad boys!!
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: DP3 on August 14, 2005, 10:05:59 AM: Yeah, this is the exact same vid as the EPX T1 DVDs they've been giving out at all of the trade shows lately. From what I've seen in person and have heard from the staffers is that this ball won't roll out due to too much friction, it'll simply just keep hooking off of the lane. I'm sure that'll tell people when to put the ball down.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: FBM357 on August 14, 2005, 11:17:55 AM: one word ..... WICKED!!!!
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: Iketown300 on August 14, 2005, 12:36:56 PM: quote:
Well that was a pretty cool video! I really wanted see more shots of the ball though .

I, on the other hand, was lookin for more shots of Eryn Brooke. Hell, the whole 12 minute video could have been of her and I would buy a case of those EPX-T1's. No doubt Jeff, I'm in love too. A really hot girl that talks about bowling and isn't 14 years old at cosmic bowling....haha.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: J_L_B on August 14, 2005, 03:18:55 PM: Count me in for the "Inagural Eryn Brooke Shootout Winner Take Her Home Tournament"

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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: Iketown300 on August 14, 2005, 03:24:02 PM: Deal, this is the best pot game I have ever bowled in...
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: RSalas on August 14, 2005, 03:24:50 PM: It would have been nice to see the EPX T1 thrown side-by-side with some of the other C300 high-performance equipment, so that we could get a better idea of just *how much* different this ball really is. That said, though, it doesn't seem to me that anyone with more than an average amount of hand could find any possible use for the EPX on a house condition. However, if enough of the first-shift bowlers buy them, and blow a huge hole in the track with them, those of us who come in after them can look forward to bowling on an even bigger wall than usual.

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The way I understand it they can increase or decrease the amount of plasticizers(sp?) in the coverstock.

*Any* manufacturer can do that with *any* coverstock. Ever wonder how the ball companies have managed to "tweak" Super-Flex, Curelyon, PowrKoil, and other covers over the years?
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: icetink on August 14, 2005, 03:26:22 PM: I was also able to watch Chris Barnes and Del Waren throw the ball, and although it is a hook monster, it's not THAT big of a hook monster to be stupid. The ball still needs to match up well to carry. I think it's an excellent ball.

The oil track of the ball also darkens as more games are put on the ball. Temperature changes also change the colour of the coverstock, which is quite interesting. Performance isn't affected by the colour changes though. The ball is an oil absorbing monster!
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: kingpin268 on August 14, 2005, 07:26:04 PM: If I remember correctly, they said the ball will not lose its reaction because it uses chemical friction or something like that? The ball wears very slow also? Anyone hear that in the vid?
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: proshopbowl on August 14, 2005, 10:29:46 PM: They say more friction but isn't there a limit on friction (COF) and how much higher is this balls COF over any other ball? I would figure that they have already come out with a ball pretty close to the COF limit so how much higher can they go. Does anyone know where this is published.

I also have to admit that Mr. Suppers wig is one of his better looking pieces. It actually looked real.

Let me know where the tournament is. I'll find a way to make it, just don't tell my wife she might find the prize as worth it as I.
Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: bighook69 on August 14, 2005, 10:32:40 PM: quote:
Yeah, this is the exact same vid as the EPX T1 DVDs they've been giving out at all of the trade shows lately. From what I've seen in person and have heard from the staffers is that this ball won't roll out due to too much friction, it'll simply just keep hooking off of the lane. I'm sure that'll tell people when to put the ball down.
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hmmm..... so it wont burn up.... AL ALL! That could be bad, you go to throw a shot and it hooks straight into the left gutter on dryer lanes....

Crazy.....
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: Bjaardker on August 15, 2005, 09:26:14 AM: How appropriate that the little computer animation at the end almost left the flat 10.

Del himself said that you need to keep it in the oil. While it may not roll out as much, quite a few of those strikes in that video were not hitting hard. Some of them they even overdubbed a louder & more forceful strike sound.
Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: golfnutFL on August 15, 2005, 12:25:11 PM: http://www.real.com/realplayer.html?country=US&language=EN&opage=rpchoice&type=dlrhap_bb&pp=player&src=realplayer,072805rpchoice_1_3_2_1_8_1

On the right hand side is the link for the free download.

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can someone throw a link to download realplayer.

i keep clicking on it and it sends me right to windows media player where it wont work.

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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: HamPster on August 15, 2005, 09:58:07 PM: Naturally the ball is gonna look good because they put down the ideal conditions to show the ball on, and didn't let you see how fast the ball would burn the track. I've got a house in mind to use that ball at, but even low end pearls burn the track up there like you wouldn't believe. Laneshield can't hold a shot worth stuff. Looks like a good ball though, don't get me wrong. Has anybody seen the pricetag on it though? Retail is $310 . . .
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: Brian Pursel on August 15, 2005, 11:37:19 PM: Icetink:

The ball, although epoxy based, does have plasticizers in it. They create the pore structure that absorbs lane oil to increase friction, but the biggest input into the increaed is the other "seceret" chemical enhancers.

BTW, Barnes and his wife bowled at Don Carter West in Dallas for the video on the standard house shot, no "special" lane conditions for filming. We walked in, shot the video, were out by noon.

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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: icetink on August 15, 2005, 11:49:40 PM: Thanks for clearing that up. Think you can give us some info on Eryn Brooke? Just kidding, but what I'd really like to know is info on Track's upcoming epoxy ball. Because epoxy is still in its infancy, will there be any changes to 'The Machine's' coverstock vs. the EPX T1's coverstock? Also, is there any info on the core Track will be using in their epoxy release?

Here's something interesting:
Del Waren said (although I can't quote exactly) that as an experiment of oil absorption and ball death, an EPX T1 was submerged in a vat of lane oil for 48 hours. After the 48h, it was taken out and it went as straight as an arrow. The ball was then put in a rejuvenation oven where the ball was 'de-oiled'. After the rejuvenation process, the ball was back to box reaction.

It seems that the new epoxy coverstock will have an awesome overall life compared to urethane based coverstocks. That's an awesome added bonus on top of the extreme enhanced performance of the ball!
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: HamPster on August 16, 2005, 01:28:51 AM: No stuff . . hmm. Now, I realize that 8 years of research and development had to cost a lot, but price is a huge thing with bowlers. As a pro shop operator, it's hard to market a ball that costs 70 bucks MORE than the high performance stuff. I suppose it's no different than selling Lane 1 stuff, but lol, we can't do that in the first place. I might get adventurous and drill one up eventually (even though Columbia's not my pot of tea by a long shot). We have one in our shop, and it'll probably stay there unless myself or the owner drills it. I hate to harp on the price, but like I said, it's not bowler friendly at all. I'm sure the "new factor" will help it out quite a bit, but besides that, 90% of league bowlers don't need that much hook. If I bowled on wet stuff, I'd drill it if only out of curiousity, but one house burns in 4 frames, and at the other you can swing plastic from 16 to 8. Again, I'm POSITIVE it cost a ton to develop this ball, and I'm sure you'd sell it for cheaper if you could. Lol, but you have marketing guys with statistics and I'm sure you get a lot of feedback, so who am I to give advice?

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BTW, Barnes and his wife bowled at Don Carter West in Dallas for the video on the standard house shot, no "special" lane conditions for filming. We walked in, shot the video, were out by noon.

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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: Mike Austin on August 16, 2005, 01:58:08 AM: I crossed next to Chris and his partner this weekend during a mixed doubles tournament. Chris threw the T1 during the first 3-5 games of the tournament. Did also see him throw a couple Big Bullys and the The Professional.

The shot was fairly slick. I threw my box dull Big Bully, shiny Big Bully a little and Smokin Inferno when the heads started going. The tournament was run on some kind of Sport Pattern, maybe a modified PBA pattern. Chris could get the EPX ball of the gutter very well. I had hang on the gutter on most lanes.

Chris crushed them during qualifying, shot 275 over for 8, leading male. I shot 35 over and was 8th male out of 30 on my squad. Chris made a semi tough shot look dead easy. I thought they were easier than what I bowled. I spared well (missed 3) which is good for me. Just didn't strike very much.

This ball hooks a bunch. Chris throws it hard and throws 16lbs, and the ball hits very good! You will have to have some oil though, this ball isn't going to like dry boards in the front very much. He is right in the video, PBA tournaments are mostly on synthetics and the tour is mostly on Pro Anvil Hang. Chris could/probably will have a monster year!

BTW, did not see other Columbia Staffers (Wes Mallot, Mark Williams) throwing this ball.
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Title: Re: EPX T-1 Video
Post by: Mike Austin on August 17, 2005, 01:13:03 AM: He was talking to someone about his layouts, and he said he had "It drilled with the pin and cg stacked on his span line under the fingers."

I think he was talking about the Professional. I just kinda overheard, sorry man.

I watched his feet when I could, the EPX ball did out hook his Big Bully by about 5 boards with his feet, and probably a couple with his target. As good as Chris is, and as much as he gets on it, that would be a significant amount to me.
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