ball always starts out good....but after awhile you start to lose carry...and no adjustment works....more speed, less speed, target closer, longer, further in/out, move up or back on approach, finger spread, pinkie tuck, changing rolls, behind the ball, side of ball, 3/4 roll, cup wrist, uncup wrist, more direct, more swing, ALL OF THE ABOVE.....NOTHING WORKS....it's a sweet ball early...esp. on tough shots, but the carry just evaporates after 15 frames or so...