BallReviews
Equipment Boards => Columbia 300 => Topic started by: thewhiz on January 09, 2015, 07:37:09 PM
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Is there a site to go to to tell me which columbia balls hook from most to least? Like the one brunswick has on its website.
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Maybe Columbia's website?
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lol Try going on Columbia's website. It is not user friendly at all. I'm not sure where else you could try for good info.
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Bowling ball.com had one that was fairly accurate. Maybe bowlers journal?
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Is bowlers journal free or only if your a member?
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Bowlingball.com has a fairly reliable site to compare hook rating of balls. All ratings
should be taken with a grain of salt, but it is a somewhat accurate tool.
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http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/ball-manufacturer/columbia-300/
Chart on bottom of the page. They are not all on there but it's a start. BTM's rating system is subjective but I find better than some.
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http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/ball-manufacturer/columbia-300/ (http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/ball-manufacturer/columbia-300/)
Chart on bottom of the page. They are not all on there but it's a start. BTM's rating system is subjective but I find better than some.
I checked BTM's ratings for Motiv, where I own a more complete line-up for comparison. For hook rating, they have the Sigma Hybrid above the Primal Rage, and they have the Ascent Solid above the Thrash. Neither is close to reality. ::)
Hopefully, these are just anomalies.
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Hook can be predicated on a persons perception of reaction...
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Hook can be predicated on a persons perception of reaction...
Ric, I don't know if you're response was directed at my post, but I understand enough about hook to know the specific examples I provided are truth -- not simply perception.
Otherwise, I agree with what you're saying.
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Steven, I can take a shot at answering your hook potential question. Which balls are you looking to compare?
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I checked BTM's ratings for Motiv, where I own a more complete line-up for comparison. For hook rating, they have the Sigma Hybrid above the Primal Rage, and they have the Ascent Solid above the Thrash. Neither is close to reality. ::)
Yes they are correct because BTM tested them at OOB surfaces. Sigma Hybrid at OOB was 3000 grit Atomix Hybrid Reactive http://www.motivbowling.com/products/2/50.html
Primal Rage is 5000 grit Fusion Pearl Reactive http://www.motivbowling.com/products/balls/primal-rage.html which will go longer and hook more at the back end. Back end and total hook are not the same thing also depending on bowlers stats. and lane condition. Steven you are confusing total hook to back end hook. Look at the total hook and back end plus torque numbers that's how you can compare ball to ballon BTM apples to apples. I see BTM numbers as very close to what I have seen.
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Hook can be predicated on a persons perception of reaction...
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Hook can be predicated on a persons perception of reaction...
That's Radical!!!.......
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Back end and total hook are not the same thing also depending on bowlers stats. and lane condition. Steven you are confusing total hook to back end hook. Look at the total hook and back end plus torque numbers that's how you can compare ball to ballon BTM apples to apples. I see BTM numbers as very close to what I have seen.
Scott, I'm basing my conclusions on hundreds of games thrown across the balls I referenced. I understand the difference between backend hook and midland hook. In any case I was talking about total hook, meaning total boards covered.
Even at a higher grit, my personal experience is that the Primal Rage is basically a more aggressive ball than the Sigma Hybrid. I've never found the Sigma Hybrid able to handle the oil volumes that were advertised. I've seen this across many different THS and Sport conditions. Maybe different styles will see different results, but I'm pretty confident on my assessment.
As far as the Solid Ascent vs. the Thrash, this one should be a no-brainer. BTM's ratings fly in the face of Motiv's own advertised strength ratings. Motiv says the Ascent Solid is a light oil ball, while the Thrash is designed for medium conditions. So how does BTM give the Ascent a higher hook rating than the Thrash? My personal experience says Motiv's ratings are correct and the reactions aren't even close. I have sanctioned 300's with both, and I use the balls on completely different conditions.
I'm not making a blanket assessment of BTM's ratings, but I found two instances where personal experience clearly trumps BTM's ratings. I understand that different bowlers see different things, but sometimes real world differences between respective ball strengths is hard to dispute.