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Gilligan8

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Help identifying this red dot
« on: August 28, 2013, 09:14:24 PM »
This is a ball at the local lanes, looks and feels like it was left or donated.  Rolls pretty well for me... I'd like to know what it is to at least compare it to what I might be looking to buy. (I'm a newb, obviously)

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Re: Help identifying this red dot
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2013, 03:29:26 AM »
There were 2 or 3 colors of The Red Dots. They fit  between the Yellow Dot and the White Dot. I do remember a problem with them as they got softer than 72 on the durometer.
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Re: Help identifying this red dot
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2013, 06:21:45 AM »
They were popular at one time, but many of them were illegal (too soft) out of the box.  Essentially they are a soft polyester.  I would not try to take it to any tournament that tested ball hardness.
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Re: Help identifying this red dot
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2013, 10:10:16 AM »
I sold both in the shop back then, dark brown and dark green! I know with age a lot of cover stocks change color and they may have gotten darker with age! I know the blue pearl urethane hammer I had turned green! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Help identifying this red dot
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2013, 03:52:59 PM »
I sold both in the shop back then, dark brown and dark green! I know with age a lot of cover stocks change color and they may have gotten darker with age! I know the blue pearl urethane hammer I had turned green! Just my $.02, Bruce

It's definitely brown (dark brown but brown).  What model ball is it?  What characteristics would it have compared to anything available today?

Just wonder how another ball will react in comparison as I don't have much other experience except with some junk house balls.

Thanks.

Sure would think if they are gonna put the serial numbers on there they would have a database of all of this information.  At least moving forward in this modern age!

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Re: Help identifying this red dot
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 05:29:20 PM »


It's definitely brown (dark brown but brown).  What model ball is it?


 It is called, believe it or not, a Columbia Red Dot. That IS the model.


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  What characteristics would it have compared to anything available today?

  It would be more like a houseball. It is a three piece, softer polyester ball.

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Just wonder how another ball will react in comparison as I don't have much other experience except with some junk house balls.

 This ball would be more like a plastic spare ball today. It may hook a bit more, but simply because it is probably "softer" than a new ball.

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Sure would think if they are gonna put the serial numbers on there they would have a database of all of this information.  At least moving forward in this modern age!

 Well, there was a system in place at one time, but only a general one. The first number is the year, so that is probably a 1983 model. Not bad for a 30 year old ball.
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Re: Help identifying this red dot
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2013, 06:02:02 PM »
Ok, cool... well, at least it fits WAY better than a house ball.

I have a Freeze coming but that is going to be at least 3 weeks away and then I'm still not sure I even want to drill it right away as my game is JUST starting to develop and I imagine it will change pretty drastically in the next couple of months as I keep working on it.

Sorry, I'm getting off topic now.

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Re: Help identifying this red dot
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2013, 08:55:15 PM »
Ok, cool... well, at least it fits WAY better than a house ball.

I have a Freeze coming but that is going to be at least 3 weeks away and then I'm still not sure I even want to drill it right away as my game is JUST starting to develop and I imagine it will change pretty drastically in the next couple of months as I keep working on it.

Sorry, I'm getting off topic now.

 It has been my experience that, at times, it is better to throw a ball that fits really well than to fight one that doesn't. Fit can make LOTS of difference.

 When you finally do drill that Freeze, it will be quite different from the ball you pictured here, due to the fact that it has both a reactive cover, AND a dynamic core.

 If you are just starting to learn the proper way to get a hook ball, I think I would recommend going ahead and getting the Freeze drilled. The technique that works well with old style polyester balls doesn't necessarily translate well into the dynamic reactive balls of today.

 If you are just learning the game, learn how to play it with the equipment you will be using, and that is the reactive balls. The technique is totally different from plastic, and you will be better off in learning to do it that way from the beginning.
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Re: Help identifying this red dot
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2013, 11:40:23 PM »
Good info.

But doesn't a ball get drilled based on how you throw it?  I'm still working on ALL the fundamentals including hand work and getting revs on the ball.  I basically hold the ball with my hand on its side, like one typically gets to as they pass their leg on the way to the release.  This allows my thumb to come out and then the finger get a tiny bit of rotation with just the follow through.  I have a long ways to go... But it's been a fun journey.

I just would hate to drill the ball based on my lack of skill now and then have a break through and it all changes.