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Ric Clint

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How is this possible? About the Detour
« on: July 27, 2004, 01:39:45 PM »
Please check ling below for another post on some similar stuff:

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?CategoryID=5&ForumID=16&TopicID=59040


"Bowling This Month" gave the DETOUR like 16 on Backend rating!! The most they've ever given! Columbia lists the 16lb Detour as having an RG of 2.488 and Differential of 0.037 and the 15lb having 2.521 and 0.037 ... with this low of an RG, how can this ball store up energy and is a Differential of only .037 really enough to get this ball to turn over hard on the backend?

And the WIRED, is suppose to be a strong backending ball... but the RG is 2.46 !!! How is this ball going to store energy? It's got a good Differential of .046 and that helps... but the RG is very low.

In the link above to another post, a guy says (by the name of DP3), "Numbers don't mean as much as they used to. Core Shape dictates motion, don't forget that."

So does that hold true here with the DETOUR and WIRED to???




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LuckyLefty

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Re: How is this possible? About the Detour
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2004, 02:30:23 PM »
As maybe a matter of interest I agree with everything Steven has said.

If I only had 20 degrees of axis rotation I would tend to agree more with Charlest!

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Re: How is this possible? About the Detour
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2004, 02:53:28 PM »
...hook shape is not an essential for the vast majority of people...

Steven, thanks for pointing that out.  I'll glady risk leaving a couple of crash 7-9's to offset those THS ringing 10's....

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1)entry angle
2)looking cool
3)entry angle

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Steven

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Re: How is this possible? About the Detour
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2004, 03:04:29 PM »
Lucky/230: Thanks for the validation. Sometimes I feel like I'm spitting into the wind when questioning the "coverstock is everything" mantra.

And 230, thanks for pointing out the following:

 
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2)looking cool


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Steven

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Re: How is this possible? About the Detour
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2004, 03:53:12 PM »
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What you should have done was to take two balls with the exact same top weight and the exact same pin-to-CG difference and drilled them both with the exact same layout. Then you take one and leave it in box condition and sand the other down to 320 grit dull...or sand one down and sand the other up to 2000 or 2500 and then shine it up...and THEN see if there are reaction differences between the dull ball and the shiny one.


Jeff: I've essentially done this (albeit less efficiently) with a single ball. On several occasions, I've practiced by myself on a fresh pair of lanes to experiment with the effects of altering the cover of a single ball. The process is as follows:

1) Practice a game or so with the ball in box condition, and document the results.
2) Go into the proshop and take to cover from box down to a duller state -- i.e. 1000 grit to 600 grit.
3) Practice another game or so with the more aggressive cover, and document the results.
4) Repeat step #2 except take the cover up to 2000 grit.
5) Repeat step #3 with the less aggressive cover.

I've done this with several balls having different covers and drill patterns, and the conclusion was always the same: Changing the cover changes length to breakpoint, but does not fundamentally change the hook shape of the ball.

Taking this a step further, this means that if the hook shape is not optimal given my personal style, I cannot 'fix' the problem through coverstock alteration.

This is the main point I was trying to convey.
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Ric Clint

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Re: How is this possible? About the Detour
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2004, 02:39:55 AM »
Just pushing this back to the top... I thought this was some good stuff!

Anymore comments???




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Re: How is this possible? About the Detour
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2004, 06:08:33 AM »
I did not find that ball to scream on backend because of low flare ball should be drilled sort of strong for most medium handed players.

Back to the Detour and Wired.  Both big, Detour very angular and with a lot of drive at the pocket.  Wired earlier has an even more reactive coverstock than Super flex!!!  

Ask Mike Wolfe about Detour.  Me think he likey!

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