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Equipment Boards => Columbia 300 => Topic started by: thedjs on December 19, 2019, 10:27:00 AM
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Anyone used the new Messenger on ultra dry lanes? Would it be a lot less than an Ebonite Turbo/R?
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What do you mean by ultra dry? Is the ball still able to get through the heads but hooking a lot down lane or the heads are so fried that the Turbo is hooking at the arrows?
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What do you mean by ultra dry? Is the ball still able to get through the heads but hooking a lot down lane or the heads are so fried that the Turbo is hooking at the arrows?
What I mean is that I'm being forced to line up my feet with the gutter and play between the 4th and 5th arrow with the weakest ball I own. This is way out of my comfort zone and I either need something weaker of just go to plastic, which I really don't want to do.
I was hoping that something like the new Messenger would allow me to move back to the right and cut down on the overall hook but still get good carry.
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Sounds like you're seeing too much dry for the Messenger to be much weaker than the Turbo R. You might want to look into the Black Widow Spare or Track Spare +. There has?been some success with those including a friend of mine that actually carries a Track Spare+ for tournaments.
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The reason I ask, is because if the ball is struggling to get through the heads, then the Messenger being a resin ball could also struggle. However, if it is in the midlane or back end that are hooking a lot, then the Messenger with the pin near your axis could do the trick.
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Thanks a lot guys. I think I'll look into the Track Spare or the Hammer BW Spare. That may be my only answer.
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I had a track spare plus which cracked. I replaced with a BW spare, just to try something a little different.
The BW spare - the core seemed too strong. It make the ball want to roll and hook early, not that a plastic would do that. It just seemed the core would put it through a motion and then the shape would be gone very early. So on a super dry condition where the core would help, it would go through it's motion too early, and just be a dud later down lane.
Track spare plus was so much easier to use. More of a long arcing motion. So you get that arcing motion and a very long phase where the core was really helpful. I should have just gotten another spare plus.
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Depends on a lot of what you have going on. I have 2 Messengers drilled with 2 very specific layouts for this very reason. I have a Black Gold that is 90x1x45 to give me a consistent "urethane like" reaction. Also have a Red Black that 50x6x70 to be the slowest transitioning piece downlane so that when the heads are fried or the backends are screaming I have a piece that fight it and keep me as far left as possible.
Both of these pieces were experiments gone right as they've netted me a decent chunk of change when in any other tournament I'd be going home empty handed. Ive also drilled a couple for some two handers needing push and slower transition when the heads go with pretty great results, one of which shooting 289 out of the box. I suggest you talk to your pro shop operator and see what you can come up with on the resin side that will shape and transition the way you want instead of buying a plastic that'll deflect a boatload.
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Buddy of mine has same issue, got him into the black hammer urethane and polished it up.
He plays up 10 basically now and crushes it
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What do you mean by ultra dry? Is the ball still able to get through the heads but hooking a lot down lane or the heads are so fried that the Turbo is hooking at the arrows?
What I mean is that I'm being forced to line up my feet with the gutter and play between the 4th and 5th arrow with the weakest ball I own. This is way out of my comfort zone and I either need something weaker of just go to plastic, which I really don't want to do.
I was hoping that something like the new Messenger would allow me to move back to the right and cut down on the overall hook but still get good carry.
Why not learn to get comfortable there?