Author Topic: No Asymmetrics? (Read 4504 times)

themachine300 · « **on:** March 04, 2008, 02:12:54 AM »

Is there any particular reason why C300 doesn't realease many asymmetric core balls, if any at all? Just wondering. All the other major ball companies have many asymmetric core balls/lines, but you never see them from Columbia.
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shelley · « **Reply #1 on:** March 04, 2008, 10:49:29 AM »

Columbia put most of their strong, fancy, high-tech asymmetric cores in Track balls. They made very few asymmetrics and even fewer where the MB strength was worth thinking about.

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CHawk15 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 04, 2008, 11:04:23 AM »

One big reason is that the staffers (Barnes, Malott) prefer symmetical cores.

backswing_aplenty · « **Reply #3 on:** March 04, 2008, 02:08:29 PM »

The only ball Wes Malott used one year was an asymmetric Power Machine.

The tour guys prefer symmetrics and will often drill the top of the line balls for their coverstocks (which are usually on asymmetrics) and go with very tame layouts, like the Tommy Jones "trick layout" of last year.

Only a handful of guys "need" asymmetrics on tour. They need a mix of many types of reactions. Chris may be one of the few that only uses symmetrics but that's his game plan.

I really doubt Columbia will produce tens of thousands of balls based on 2 bowlers.

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CHawk15 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 04, 2008, 03:32:42 PM »

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The only ball Wes Malott used one year was an asymmetric Power Machine.

Point taken, but what other choice was there w/ Track last year. Outside of the 1 match against TJ (Ace HW) that's all Wes threw last year.

spinner031 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2008, 04:07:04 PM »

There was a couple: Artillery, Equation. PBIII won with his Twisted Fury (asymmetric) but I still feel it's best to have symmetrical cores. The fact that C300 has all symmetric is a bonus in my eyes because I don't have to avoid anything. This isn't an argument though; the answer to the question is because Ebonite has different goals for their sub-companies' equipment. Track has backend (lots of asymmetrical stuff), fill in the rest.
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charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2008, 05:04:36 PM »

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Is there any particular reason why C300 doesn't realease many asymmetric core balls, if any at all? Just wondering. All the other major ball companies have many asymmetric core balls/lines, but you never see them from Columbia.
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Why do you feel you need an asymmetric core in order to bowl well?

I wish more companies would put their premium coverstocks on simple symmetric cores.
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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2008, 05:11:35 PM »

It has been my experience that there are very few bowlers, who happen to fall into 2 distinct groups, who reap a large benefit from the asymmetrical cores. 95% of the bowlers out there won't be able to tell the difference between a properly laid out symmetrical vs asymmetrical ball.

Since Columbia is in the business of selling as many bowling balls as they can, it only makes sense that they would produce balls that appeal to the masses.
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charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2008, 06:36:28 PM »

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Since Columbia is in the business of selling as many bowling balls as they can, it only makes sense that they would produce balls that appeal to the masses.
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Doug,

I'd take that a whole step further: I'd estimate that 99.99% of the bowlers buying a premium ball (and that includes EVERYONE) wouldn't be able to tell, by bowling with it, whether or not they have a mass bias cored ball or a symmetric cored ball.

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spinner031 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2008, 07:51:50 PM »

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95% of the bowlers out there won't be able to tell the difference between a properly laid out symmetrical vs asymmetrical ball.

It's not that they can't tell, per say, but 95% of those bowlers might have very slight release changes shot to shot. Undetectable changes even, and the symmetrical cores are more forgiving.
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jls · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2008, 03:59:05 PM »

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Is there any particular reason why C300 doesn't realease many asymmetric core balls, if any at all? Just wondering. All the other major ball companies have many asymmetric core balls/lines, but you never see them from Columbia.
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With so many getting "hambones" with the Resurgence and the Momentum's, I would say that their cores are doing just fine!
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themachine300 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2008, 11:44:54 AM »

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Is there any particular reason why C300 doesn't realease many asymmetric core balls, if any at all? Just wondering. All the other major ball companies have many asymmetric core balls/lines, but you never see them from Columbia.
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Why do you feel you need an asymmetric core in order to bowl well?

I wish more companies would put their premium coverstocks on simple symmetric cores.
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Where did it say that I needed an asymmetric core to bowl well? I'm just asking a general question of why.
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Oskuposer · « **Reply #12 on:** March 06, 2008, 11:49:05 AM »

Cause the last one they had was the apoge that ball was ok at best but then died in about 20 games
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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** March 06, 2008, 04:39:57 PM »

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Is there any particular reason why C300 doesn't realease many asymmetric core balls, if any at all? Just wondering. All the other major ball companies have many asymmetric core balls/lines, but you never see them from Columbia.
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www.bowlingsolutions.com

Why do you feel you need an asymmetric core in order to bowl well?

I wish more companies would put their premium coverstocks on simple symmetric cores.
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Where did it say that I needed an asymmetric core to bowl well? I'm just asking a general question of why.
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Your phraseology implied that to my read of the post.

As in my reply, I feel there are far too many asymmetric when they are little needed. It's as if designers are saying I can't make a strong ball so I'll make the core asymmetric to force for flare and reaction out of these covers. There should be more asymmetrics with a previously unfulfilled purpose, like the Cell.
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CHawk15 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2008, 09:10:19 AM »

I think that asymmetrical cores are very condition/bowler specific and don't match up with what I like to do very well. The only one I've ever had a hint of success with is the Maximus II core from Roto Grip (Epic Saga, Battle and Odyssey) and even then, it was a mixed bag. I much prefer the Resurgence, Rival and Momentum to any asymmetrical core I've ever thrown. I'm tempted to try a Cell, but I think that the Cell and the Resurgence are too close and I really like the Resurgence. If I need something for a heavier oil shot (Resurgence has a length drill on it), I could drill another Resurgence to roll earlier.

Edited on 3/7/2008 10:11 AM

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