Author Topic: Should I sand Scout/R for more hook? (Read 3392 times)

cloob · « **on:** December 27, 2009, 12:50:36 AM »

I bought my first ball about 3 weeks ago; Columbia Scout/R. I went from a conventional grip to a fingertip grip. I was bowling in the 150's with a houseball with a nice hook but now my average is at about 110. I have bowled about 20 games with my new Scout/R ball but it is not hooking very well at the backend of the lane even though you can see the spin on the ball as it enters the break zone. Have I bowled enough games yet to get used to this new ball and grip before I decide to have it sanded a bit by the Pro Shop to give it more hook potential?

TrackMaster · « **Reply #1 on:** December 27, 2009, 09:10:07 AM »

It is hard to say without watching you bowl, a scout shouold hook circles around a houseball with fingertip, I would go to the shop if they are capable of coaching and ask for a little help with your new ball. Most pro shops will be more then happy to help out a new customer with a new fingertip ball.

CliffBarnes300 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 27, 2009, 09:25:43 AM »

I agree, as a shop owner I am more then happy to help a new customer and potential life long bowler. Also its great to help someone and see the look on their face when it clicks and to watch them improve. Good luck cloob, stick with it you will figure it out.
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cloob · « **Reply #3 on:** December 27, 2009, 09:49:26 AM »

Thanks everyone. I will call my Pro Shop today and see if they can watch me bowl tomorrow too help me out.

yeehayashi · « **Reply #4 on:** December 27, 2009, 10:36:56 AM »

Congrats for buying your own ball. I bought a Scout as my first ball when I decided to take up the sport seriously. It still is a ball I use for dry lane conditions or late in a series when the oil is depleted. I'd recommend staying away from adjusting the ball surface for now. The Scout will hook for you, but the thing I'd suggest is for you to talk to your pro shop driller or friend to find a coach for lessons. You describe seeing your ball spinning down the lane when it gets to the backends, it sounds like you are topping the ball and not rolling it properly. The fingertip grip is also probably magnifying that type of release problem & you'll have difficulty getting the ball to hook correctly until you learn proper bowling techniques.

Developing solid fundamentals is a key to becoming a good bowler and coaching lessons will significantly speed up that process for you. Being self-taught isn't bad but it can take a long time. The Scout definitely hooks on dry to medium oiled lane conditions, but you do have to use the proper techniques to develop a good stance, footwork, armswing, release & follow-through. If you can't afford a coach for now, try picking up a copy of John Jowdy's book 'Bowling Execution' or Michele Mullens' book 'Bowling Fundamentals'.

If you have time, check out the videos out on the www.nextlevelbowling.com web site or look at the YouTube videos from Fred Borden. There is lots of info out on the web about bowling that can help you. The sites by Ron Clifton (who posts here occasionally as "Magic Carpet") and Joe Slowinski are excellent sites for coaching tips. The web sites are www.bowl4fun.com and www.bowlingknowledge.info

cloob · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2009, 03:18:16 PM »

Would it be safe to clean my ball in a bucket of hot water with Simple Green? Thank you everyone for your help. I'll give myself awhile to adjust to the new ball and try to get some pointers from my Pro Shop.

TrackMaster · « **Reply #6 on:** December 27, 2009, 03:41:04 PM »

yea simple green and hot water works well. But routine maintanace with a microfiber towel and energizer cleaner after every set is a must too!

Juggernaut · « **Reply #7 on:** December 27, 2009, 04:18:51 PM »

Even though the new Scout/R is reactive, they have been changed to a regular pancake style weightblock, and that doesn't give them much dynamics to work with.

Dulling (sanding) the cover will give you more hook POTENTIAL, but depending on your release, may or may not have a large effect on your hook. If you have higher speed, lower revs, higher degree of tilt, or lots of axis rotation, you have factors that tend to reduce a balls total hook, ESPECIALLY when the balls dynamics aren't strong enough to overcome these factors.

Visit the shop and see what they say. You may want to look into a ball with a stronger surface AND a stronger engine (weightblock) to get that extra hook you're looking for.

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cloob · « **Reply #8 on:** December 28, 2009, 08:56:37 AM »

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Congrats for buying your own ball. I bought a Scout as my first ball when I decided to take up the sport seriously. It still is a ball I use for dry lane conditions or late in a series when the oil is depleted. I'd recommend staying away from adjusting the ball surface for now. The Scout will hook for you, but the thing I'd suggest is for you to talk to your pro shop driller or friend to find a coach for lessons. You describe seeing your ball spinning down the lane when it gets to the backends, it sounds like you are topping the ball and not rolling it properly. The fingertip grip is also probably magnifying that type of release problem & you'll have difficulty getting the ball to hook correctly until you learn proper bowling techniques.

Developing solid fundamentals is a key to becoming a good bowler and coaching lessons will significantly speed up that process for you. Being self-taught isn't bad but it can take a long time. The Scout definitely hooks on dry to medium oiled lane conditions, but you do have to use the proper techniques to develop a good stance, footwork, armswing, release & follow-through. If you can't afford a coach for now, try picking up a copy of John Jowdy's book 'Bowling Execution' or Michele Mullens' book 'Bowling Fundamentals'.

If you have time, check out the videos out on the www.nextlevelbowling.com web site or look at the YouTube videos from Fred Borden. There is lots of info out on the web about bowling that can help you. The sites by Ron Clifton (who posts here occasionally as "Magic Carpet") and Joe Slowinski are excellent sites for coaching tips. The web sites are www.bowl4fun.com and www.bowlingknowledge.info

Thanks! I just finished watching the Tim Schaffer videos! The tips were great, I'll try to incorporate that tonight when I go bowling!

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