Thanks, that's good to know. I have been working on more forward roll the last month anticipating I would need to do that in Reno because of the backends. I can't get end over end because I release the ball inside out but I can see less tilt and I hope to control the backend that way. From the looks of things, I might need only three balls...very strong, strong, and med and ball down when necessary. What do you think of that strategy?