Author Topic: 1500 and 3000 grit Siaair pads (Read 13731 times)

no300yet · « **on:** February 06, 2010, 09:50:42 AM »

Since I saw Bowling.com and bowlingball.com only offer 1000; 2000;4000 grit; etc.( both Abralon and Siaair)I was about to ask the question: "how do I get my balls to 1500 grit surface? "

Thanks to the tip from "JJ" I found those pads at bowlingbeat.com for US $4.25 each including shipping. I got mine in a week and they appear to be well made( made in Switzerland)but not by Brunswick(?).

I understand we are supposed to use them wet but what should I expect if I just use them dry, like a quick touch-up during the game?

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** February 06, 2010, 05:58:43 PM »

SiaAir Velvet pads are made in Switzerland. They are not made by Brunswick, any more than Abralon are made by Ebonite. The manufacturers may have the name "Brunswick" or "Ebonite" put on them at their request, but neither are made by either bowling manufacturer.
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Doug Sterner · « **Reply #2 on:** February 06, 2010, 06:09:29 PM »

Both ABralon pads and SiaAir pads are made overseas by different companies other than the ones they are marketed by here in the US.

Abralon is made by Mirka in Switzerland and SiaAir is a similar set up.

I have only ever seen 180, 360, 500, 1000, 2000 and 4000 grit in Abralon and 500, 1000, 2000 and 4000 in SiaAir.

After going to an Ebonite seminar last week I found out that they use their Abralons for a total of 75 balls. Now they also said there is a 5-8 ball break in period with the pads BEFORE they actually get to the grit they are advertised at.

So maybe a 1500 grit finish could be a 2000 grit pad that isn't fully broken in yet ?

I do know they have 800 grit available now as the Abranet which resembles a sanding screen you would use for sanding drywall compound. Perhaps there is a 1500 available as well?

One word of caution regarding your final question...

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... like a quick touch-up during the game?

This is considered altering the surface of a ball and is not allowed during USBC play so don't do it unless you are willing to let the ball sit out 6 frames of competition (USBC rule). Take it for what it's worth.
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Billy Ray · « **Reply #3 on:** February 06, 2010, 06:36:09 PM »

I believe during the so called Break-In period the pads are actually more agressive than what is printed. So a 2000 pad that is new may be 1500 until broken in.
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** February 06, 2010, 07:04:37 PM »

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I believe during the so called Break-In period the pads are actually more agressive than what is printed. So a 2000 pad that is new may be 1500 until broken in.
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While the pad may not be what Ebonite wants on its balls, I'll take Mirka and SiaAir's word on what grit level the pad is before I'd take Ebonite's word on it. If they say it's 2000 grit FEPA, it's 2000 grit FEPA.
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stormed1 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 06, 2010, 08:32:17 PM »

The pads are available in 800 and 1500 (Valentino hadd them when they were selling them). One of my friends gets them for me now through one of the suppliers the dealer he works for uses
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dark_rising76 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2010, 08:48:59 PM »

I just ordered and received a 1500 grit pad through Ebay by buying a 1000, 1500 and 2000 three-pack for $11.00. There should be some still avaiable.

Dennis Rhodes · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:19:04 PM »

I don't know if it helps, but Trizact (sp?) makes a 1500 pad. I have found the finish to be very similar to abralon or Siaair pads.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:44:22 PM »

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After going to an Ebonite seminar last week I found out that they use their Abralons for a total of 75 balls. Now they also said there is a 5-8 ball break in period with the pads BEFORE they actually get to the grit they are advertised at.

How is it even possible for the pads to hold their grit for 75 balls???

Is this why people get different reactions among them out of the same line of balls when NIB?

I am not saying it isn't so as I have no proof, but I find it hard to believe that a pad will hold it's grit for 75 balls and sand every ball the same.
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Nor Cal Bowler · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2010, 11:01:04 PM »

www.grizzly.com is another site to get them. JUst got my order the other day...

nocarey · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2010, 11:20:42 PM »

http://www.sia-abrasives.com/industries/en/awb_composites_siaair_velvet.php

tburky · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2010, 11:53:36 PM »

here is a link to get both abralon and siaair pads

http://www.shop.innovativeballspinner.com/SIAAIR-Velvet-Pads-SIAAIR.htm?productId=10

tburky · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2010, 12:05:24 AM »

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After going to an Ebonite seminar last week I found out that they use their Abralons for a total of 75 balls. Now they also said there is a 5-8 ball break in period with the pads BEFORE they actually get to the grit they are advertised at.

How is it even possible for the pads to hold their grit for 75 balls???

Is this why people get different reactions among them out of the same line of balls when NIB?

I am not saying it isn't so as I have no proof, but I find it hard to believe that a pad will hold it's grit for 75 balls and sand every ball the same.
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I would venture to say they use a surface profilometer to check the RA of the ball during production. Also, I imagine that is how they determine how many balls it takes before they get pad broke in.

J_Mac · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2010, 01:42:33 AM »

People are always skeptical when they hear how many balls get resurfaced by the same set of abrasive pads at the big manufacturers...

Are they taking into account some differences in how it's done in the factory versus how it's done in a pro shop or even at home on their spinner?

A) The amount of water being used - Those familiar with a Haus Resurfacer know that you can vary the water flow. At the factory the water flow is set to the max and the slurry is filtered and recirculated through the system.

B) They are working with undrilled and possibly unlabeled balls - Inserts that stick out above the surface of a bowling ball will cause premature wear on a abrasive pad. Sharp edged holes, engraving and even beveled holes create areas of higher PSI against the pads. Again, this can cause premature wear.

C) I believe most companies are using 3 abrasive pads - Most people that do their own resurfacing are doing so by hand and using 1 pad for roughly 232 square inches of bowling ball surface. At the factory they are using 3 times the pads on a machine that uniformly resurfaces a ball with less "overlap" than using a spinner at home doing 4 sides of a bowling ball per grit.

Just something to consider...

This also may not apply to companies outside of Ebonite, Columbia, Hammer, Track, and Brunswick.
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gee · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2010, 10:13:11 AM »

For example when using a 4000 Grit Abralon Wet the result is much more Shiny than using a 4000 Grit Abralon dry - in my opinion while sanding dry you get are more duller result.
So if you use a 2000 sanding disc dry you could receive a 1500 grit wet -

Or just try on a jayhawk cock machine 3 different pads like 2x 2000 Grit and 1x 500 Grit is a total of 4500 Grit on 3 discs so we have 1500 Grit average

Author Topic: 1500 and 3000 grit Siaair pads (Read 13731 times)

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