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Title: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: heavyarty on September 16, 2008, 01:41:48 PM

subbed for my friend tonight and oil machine layed out the most ridiculous shot ive ever seen.... gutter to gutter oil, did not clean the backend, used 60 grit sandpaper on my copperhead and my strike zone, ball just kept going straight...   any ideas of what i should have done
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: Dan Belcher on September 16, 2008, 09:54:15 PM

If that ball did hook at all, it hooked at the arrows.  That's entirely too much surface for any condition.  If the oil was as heavy as you say, you AREN'T going to get much hook.  You especially won't get motion on the back part of the lane.  What you need to do on an absolute flood is move your target in close to the headpin (since the ball won't be hooking back into it much), slow your speed, and tumble the ball end over end to promote a strong roll.  Your goal is to create some entry angle and reduce deflection when the ball hits the pins.  Your goal is NOT to hook the ball necessarily.

Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: heavyarty on September 16, 2008, 10:01:39 PM

i ended up shooting 588 for the night... tried to keep my hand t otally up the back of the ball. the neww brunswick machine sucks..... good thing i keep sandpaper in my car
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: River700 on September 16, 2008, 10:04:50 PM

Did you mean 600 grit sand paper?
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: ValentinoBowling on September 16, 2008, 10:11:13 PM

60 grit, lol. I surprised your allowed to still bowl at that alley.



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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 16, 2008, 10:13:12 PM

I am hoping he meant 600 grit
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: River700 on September 16, 2008, 10:25:54 PM

Yes, same here, I have some 80 grit and it would look nasty on a ball
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: noturcuzin on September 16, 2008, 10:29:13 PM

I have a friend that sanded an old retired blue hammer down to 60 grit and it looked like he had thrown it on a gravel driveway.
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: heavyarty on September 16, 2008, 10:42:01 PM

i did mean --60--- grit.... the owner is a dick and last yr he did the same thing with the oil machine and everyone averaged 40 pins less... if he wants to do it this yr, ill use 00 grit paper
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: noturcuzin on September 16, 2008, 10:46:28 PM

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i did mean --60--- grit.... the owner is a dick and last yr he did the same thing with the oil machine and everyone averaged 40 pins less... if he wants to do it this yr, ill use 00 grit paper
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They make 00 grit sandpaper?
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: heavyarty on September 16, 2008, 10:59:38 PM

if u know the right people at hardware stores you can obtain anything... even bowlers who won the lanegraph  tournaments in the past say they never seen anything like this
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: streamline on September 16, 2008, 11:19:00 PM

I cannot imagine 60 grit ever working on anything. Plastic at that grit would be a disaster, your doing harm by doing that but if that is your prerogative so be it.

I personally would have used plastic direct or maybe tried a weaker ball, you may not have had that extreme of a condition as you thought, it happens quite often that people think they know whats up but to be completely off when it comes to an oil pattern.

Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: heavyarty on September 17, 2008, 07:25:59 AM

i used everything. played every line every hand release. had my rev rate close to 500 goin up the gutter. pretty much only thing that worked... only with the copperhead at 60 grit of course
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Copperhead
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: LaneHammer20 on September 17, 2008, 07:43:13 AM

If I were you next time this happens, i wouldn't got to as an extreme in your sanding. I would say 400 or 500 and play a more direct line to then pocket with as suggested earlier in post a more end over end roll with slower speed. DOing this will improve your game as well because it will focus on consistency of your shot.

I also belive 60 grit on a bowling ball may be bad for the ball as well.
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: on September 17, 2008, 09:24:13 AM

The duller the surface, the slower the response to friction. At 60 grit you had no chance for the ball to hook. I'd try 400 at the low end or 1000 for better results depending on the exact conditions.


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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: themachine300 on September 17, 2008, 12:01:10 PM

I've used 60 grit in match play tournaments to blow a hole in the oil pattern/to help create a look.  I would never use it as an actual strike ball line, but I have thrown a ball with 60 grit before.  I always keep a fury with that sand paper in the car just in case of an emergency.
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: rustylegacy on September 17, 2008, 01:56:37 PM

Get an AMB particle, it WILL hook.

Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: icewall on September 17, 2008, 09:28:26 PM

first off make sure its heavy oil and not just a flat pattern which can make you think its heavy oil.

and 2nd i would do as others said. no less then 4-500 grit.

other then that if theres that much oil you need a particle ball or just whip it straight at the 1-3 (if righty)
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: stpwned on September 17, 2008, 09:39:16 PM

I once had a ball at 20 grit just for shizz and giggles. It hooked huge for 20 feet then rolled out. 100% reverse ball reaction.
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: Strider on September 17, 2008, 09:47:50 PM

Much under 400 grit and I'm surprised the owner doesn't kick you in the nutz.

If it don't work at 400-500 grit, you need skills and a spare game, not more surface.

My last week of PBA experience was the old 50' US Open shot, except it was at least 55'.  Even a guy with a lot more hand than me saw nothing but hydroplane.  We were on 1 and 2 and walked down the end to see which pattern they put out, since the new Open shot is 37'.  Even my 500 grit Weapon of Mass Bias didn't hook until the pin deck.  Played a very direct line with a 1000 grit Tour Power and did pretty well (565?).  The problem with super low grits is that you eventually chew up the head oil, but still have a big load from the mid lane to the pin deck.
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Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: rustylegacy on September 17, 2008, 10:02:34 PM

I found on the 50' pattern to play inside and hook a only a couple boards, almost like throwing plastic. The other choice is the AMB, which hooked alot but rolled out on the 50'pattern.

Title: Re: 60 grit sandpaper = no hook????
Post by: DON DRAPER on September 17, 2008, 11:11:23 PM

there were several pba regional tournaments i bowled where my mammoth was wetsanded 220 grit......on almost new brunswick proanvilane synthetics and bowling on the cheetah pattern this is a slick condition.