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Ric Clint

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Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« on: February 29, 2008, 02:24:11 AM »
As I was getting out of bowling a couple years ago... people were using Scotchbrite to do all of their sanding and scuffing!

And since I rejoined this website about 3 weeks ago after a long layoff, I'm just not up to date on everything!

But it seems like I haven't heard anything about Scotchbrite Pads, just Abralon Pads? Is Abralon the "new way" of doings and everybody holding off from using Scotchbrite Pads? Is Abralon similar to Scotchbrite, etc...?

Thanks!



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shelley

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2008, 11:20:37 AM »
You'll have a hard time finding SB that goes up to 2000-grit and 4000-grit, though.  They last longer than sandpaper and SB too.  Big advantage to SB is that it's stupid cheap.

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Ric Clint

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2008, 11:56:18 AM »
Okay, so the grit levels of Abralon pick up where Scotchbrite leaves off, which is I think 1200 grit?

And if you need higher grit levels than what Scotchbrite has to offer, then you must use Abralon to be able to have grit levels that are higher (like say 2000grit, 3000grit, 4000grit, etc.)?


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Brickguy221

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2008, 12:07:44 PM »
Ric, Abralon also doesn't leave as deep of sanding lines as sandpaper does.
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charlest

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 05:38:09 PM »
Jim,

I think you're allowing your logic to let your bowling emotions side step an issue here.

2000 grit is 2000 grit, whether it be on an Abralon pad or on a piece of wet/dry sandpaper. If they were NOT identical numbers, using the exact same abrasive, silicon carbide, I could understand your statement.

Since they are identical, what you're saying cannot be true logically speaking. The size, depth and wide of a 2000 grit sanding line must be identical, as long as it is 2000 grit.

However, unless you have an alternative explanation in mind, the only way and Abralon 2000 grit can be smoother or finer than a sandpaper 2000 grit is if the Abralon grit level has been reduced to less than 2000 grit; say, may 3000 or 4000 grit. We both know this happens when one presses too hard and/or for too long a period of time on the Abralon pad, ecause it is very easy to do that.

So your smoother and finer 2000 grit  Abralon finish is, to my mind, probably closer to 3000 or 4000 grit, not 2000. That is, as far as I know, the only way Abraon could have finer sanding lines than wet/dry sandpaper.
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Brickguy221

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2008, 06:00:40 PM »
Charlest, what I was basing my statement on is that I can sand a ball with 600 Grit Sandpaper and 500 Grit Abralon and the ball with 500 grit Abralon to me looks smoother with shallower sanding lines. Maybe it is the difference of using a piece of sandpaper by hand vs an Abralon Pad with a CAB, I don't know. Then again maybe it is my 71 year old eyesight going bad...
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JohnP

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2008, 07:01:01 PM »
History review, Ebonite started using Abralon pads for the final finish on many of their balls.  That got the ball rolling, plus Abralon is a great, easy to use product.  --  JohnP
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charlest

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2008, 07:06:11 PM »
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Charlest, what I was basing my statement on is that I can sand a ball with 600 Grit Sandpaper and 500 Grit Abralon and the ball with 500 grit Abralon to me looks smoother with shallower sanding lines. Maybe it is the difference of using a piece of sandpaper by hand vs an Abralon Pad with a CAB, I don't know. Then again maybe it is my 71 year old eyesight going bad...
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Jim,

Whatever it is based on, please re-read what I said. wether it's 600 vs 500 or 2000 vs 2000, the concept is the same.

You have been known to bear down far too hard on many things, like Storm's Step 2 polish!
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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 07:07:15 PM »
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History review, Ebonite started using Abralon pads for the final finish on many of their balls.  That got the ball rolling, plus Abralon is a great, easy to use product.  --  JohnP


It is, I agree.

However, as I pointed out to Brickguy,
2000 grit silicon carbide == 2000 grit silicon carbide.
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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2008, 07:37:26 PM »
2000 grit is not exactly 2000 grit in wet dry paper Because Most plases sale p2000 or p400 p600 not just 2000 grit wich is a big difference. p600 in wet dry paper is more likesay 320 abralon. The p system is a totally different rating system as far as abrasive then abralon so that is incorrect that p2k is the same as abralon 2k and so on if you dont believe me look up the different abrasive systems. They are all different even know the number is the same the type of rating system makes a huge difference
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Brickguy221

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2008, 10:35:25 PM »
quote:

Jim,

Whatever it is based on, please re-read what I said. wether it's 600 vs 500 or 2000 vs 2000, the concept is the same.


Charlest, this is one of very few times I will have to disagree with you. I stand by what I see and what I see is what I posted.

How I sanded/polished a ball 3-4 years ago when I first got a spinner and was learning vs how I do it today are not the same. I'll put my sanding/polishing skills of today up against anyone.

I would bet you also do things different today than the day you first started learning how to use a spinner.
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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2008, 06:27:16 AM »
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2000 grit is not exactly 2000 grit in wet dry paper Because Most plases sale p2000 or p400 p600 not just 2000 grit wich is a big difference. p600 in wet dry paper is more likesay 320 abralon. The p system is a totally different rating system as far as abrasive then abralon so that is incorrect that p2k is the same as abralon 2k and so on if you dont believe me look up the different abrasive systems. They are all different even know the number is the same the type of rating system makes a huge difference


Not a question of belief, ut a matter of fact. THAT is exactly why I phrased my reply that way. The "P" designation is a different scale. So P2000 grit level is different from 2000 grit level. There are plenty of charts available on the internet that will show that; just do a search for "grit comparisons" or the equivalent.

Jim/Brickguy,

when the human enters the equation, all bets are off. Science is facts, not the observable fact, but the measurable fact. Truth is relative; facts are absolute. 600 grit = 600 grit, but as 86camaroman has noted, P600 grit does not equal 600 grit.
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Brickguy221

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2008, 10:33:44 AM »
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Jim/Brickguy,

when the human enters the equation, all bets are off. Science is facts, not the observable fact, but the measurable fact. Truth is relative; facts are absolute. 600 grit = 600 grit, but as 86camaroman has noted, P600 grit does not equal 600 grit.

 

Charlest...

It appears this is one of few times that we will have to agree to disagree with each other of the actual results of how the sanding left the surface of the ball.
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86camaroman

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2008, 11:27:44 AM »
Brickguy before you disagree look it up p600 is a different rating scale then 600 abralon. Thats why there is a huge difference in grits. You cant just disagree without looking it up on the internet. Different abrasives use different scales Not opinion this is a fact. P grits are alot coarser
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Brickguy221

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Re: Abralon Pads vs. Scotchbrite Pads
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2008, 12:03:15 PM »
camaroman, after re reading all of the posts, I am not sure we are all talking about the same thing.

I originally made the comment that Abralon doesn't leave as deep of sanding lines as sandpaper. Next Charlest diagreed saying that 600 grit is 600 grit. Then you said for example that p600 grit sandpaper is more like 320 grit Abralon of which I will agree with you on that one. That solidifies my point that I originally made by saying that 600 grit sand paper leaves deeper sanding lines than 500 grit Abralon.

You said that most sand paper sold is p600, p400, p2000, etc. and not just 2000 which you said is a big difference. Again that supports my point. To sum it up, if everytime I buy a piece of wet-dry sandpaper, if it is "P" something grit, then I am correct in saying as I did in my original statement that 600 grit, aka "p600" sandpaper leaves coarser sanding lines than 500 grit Abralon.
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