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General Category => Coverstock Preparation => Topic started by: backupball on May 12, 2015, 04:25:58 PM
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This may be old age/bad memory showing, since I can't find any reference to this anywhere, but I seem to remember some discussion of using an Abralon pad to apply polish to a bowling ball (instead of a towel)... like putting Rough Buff on a 1000 Abralon pad. What would this do to the surface of the ball? On what type of patterns would this be most useful?
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What they meant was using the back side of the pad
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Backupball, you are not crazy. I remember reading that as well. I'll see if I can find it when I get a chance. I can't remember the reason for it either. I believe it was a comment on one of my old posts. Also, svstar is also correct. A lot of people, including myself, use the back side of a pad.
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Like SVstar34 said, most mean the backside of a pad (Not the abrasive side). Usually a old wore out one, they make good polish applicators.
You can also use a sharpie on the abrasive side and label each one with the polish you used on it, also as a reminder of which side not to use.
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This may be old age/bad memory showing, since I can't find any reference to this anywhere, but I seem to remember some discussion of using an Abralon pad to apply polish to a bowling ball (instead of a towel)... like putting Rough Buff on a 1000 Abralon pad. What would this do to the surface of the ball? On what type of patterns would this be most useful?
Think how a car would look if you applied car wax with sandpaper.
Do you think there would be any situation where you might like what that would do to your car?
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This may be old age/bad memory showing, since I can't find any reference to this anywhere, but I seem to remember some discussion of using an Abralon pad to apply polish to a bowling ball (instead of a towel)... like putting Rough Buff on a 1000 Abralon pad. What would this do to the surface of the ball? On what type of patterns would this be most useful?
Think how a car would look if you applied car wax with sandpaper.
Do you think there would be any situation where you might like what that would do to your car?
Putting it that way gives me a clearer picture of the net effect, thanks charlest.
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On a similar note - i have had great luck using clean n dull on the abrasive side of the pad
gives a great new, clean grit finish
saw one of the guys at the Hammer booth doing it, of course you are donating that pad for this process
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On a similar note - i have had great luck using clean n dull on the abrasive side of the pad
gives a great new, clean grit finish
saw one of the guys at the Hammer booth doing it, of course you are donating that pad for this process
Agreed. I generally do that when I resurfacing a ball from scratch I usually apply C&D to a 360 or a 500 grit pad at the start.
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i use a liquid cleaner with abralon/scotcbrite pads. with polish on the rough side of the pad your not really getting the full effect of the polish which is to delay reaction. seems like you would be wasting the polish and the pad. :-\
now there is a difference in using the pad at high speed and low speed if you have a dual speed spinner.
And a difference in polishing with a cloth at high and low speed.
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I have put a storm victory road pearl in a factory surface machine, use 500 grit for 2-1/2 min then 1000 for 2-1/2 min, pull it out take a worn 4000 pad and put storm factory polish on the grit side and sorta semi shined the ball on a spinner. Rolled very well too.
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YEARS ago, I bought a NIB Pink Hammer (this was back in the "short oil" period). Told the guy I wanted it for the extreme dry they had there.
He took it out of the box, and proceeded to "polish" it with finesse it and an abrasive pad (sorry, I never knew what grit), then continued the process with a regular buffing pad.
I asked him why he did that. He said that doing it this way "embedded" the polish into the shell, and made it slicker than the oob finish.
That was with hard, non porous urethane. Don't know what effect it would have on a porous shelled reactive ball, but I sure loved that old pink ball.
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YEARS ago, I bought a NIB Pink Hammer (this was back in the "short oil" period). Told the guy I wanted it for the extreme dry they had there.
He took it out of the box, and proceeded to "polish" it with finesse it and an abrasive pad (sorry, I never knew what grit), then continued the process with a regular buffing pad.
I asked him why he did that. He said that doing it this way "embedded" the polish into the shell, and made it slicker than the oob finish.
That was with hard, non porous urethane. Don't know what effect it would have on a porous shelled reactive ball, but I sure loved that old pink ball.
"Embedded the polish" ???? Are you sure he wasn't just pulling your leg??
He must have been on a different plane of existence than most of the rest of us are.
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"Embedded the polish" ???? Are you sure he wasn't just pulling your leg??
He must have been on a different plane of existence than most of the rest of us are.
It might not be as far fetched as it sounds.
In a old BTM issue, I remember They mentioned Finesse-it and it said something about how it used some kind of microscopic ceramic particles for the abrasive and how they could get embedded in the pores of a ball and build up.
I thought it was in the 2 part article where they tested the different ball polishes.
(True Grit: The Great Ball Polish Showdown Vol.3 #6/#8 June/August 1996)
I dug them out but it's not in them so must be after them.
That might be where he got the idea.
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"Embedded the polish" ???? Are you sure he wasn't just pulling your leg??
He must have been on a different plane of existence than most of the rest of us are.
It might not be as far fetched as it sounds.
In a old BTM issue, I remember They mentioned Finesse-it and it said something about how it used some kind of microscopic ceramic particles for the abrasive and how they could get embedded in the pores of a ball and build up.
I thought it was in the 2 part article where they tested the different ball polishes.
(True Grit: The Great Ball Polish Showdown Vol.3 #6/#8 June/August 1996)
I dug them out but it's not in them so must be after them.
That might be where he got the idea.
I believe both Finesse-It and Perfect-It are 3M products that use Trizact particles as the polish's abrasive. (AFAIK All polishes use micro-abrasives to polish the ball.)
If the "ceramic" (probably cerium oxide) particles got "stuck" in the resin, they'll add grip, not skid. It's kind of like making your own particle ball. However, I wonder if any of the cerium oxide particles or any of the particles in any polish on the market "get stuck in the resin".
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"Embedded the polish" ???? Are you sure he wasn't just pulling your leg??
He must have been on a different plane of existence than most of the rest of us are.
Not sure, as I didn't understand it anymore back then than I do now, but it sure seemed to work. I've had a couple of other pink's, and they've been good, but that one was one of those balls that was just "different".
Don't know if that was from the surface prep or not, but it had to be something.
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I believe both Finesse-It and Perfect-It are 3M products that use Trizact particles as the polish's abrasive. (AFAIK All polishes use micro-abrasives to polish the ball.)
If the "ceramic" (probably cerium oxide) particles got "stuck" in the resin, they'll add grip, not skid. It's kind of like making your own particle ball. However, I wonder if any of the cerium oxide particles or any of the particles in any polish on the market "get stuck in the resin".
I can't say for sure, unless I can find the issue that mentioned it and see exactly what it said.
As for Finesse-it using trizact, well maybe now.
But afaik Finesse-it and what I read was before trizact even came out. So maybe back when that was wrote, it had something different in it.
According to the msds for finesse-it it's using Aluminum Oxide, but the old bottle I have sitting on my shelf says quartz on it.
The whole point I was making though was, that maybe that PSO seen the same article or quote I did and that's where the idea org. came from.
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Oh another thought maybe he referring to"Burning" in the polish and just said embed instead of burn.
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Oh another thought maybe he referring to"Burning" in the polish and just said embed instead of burn.
Possibly that could be what he meant.
Applying polish (meant to smooth the surface of a ball) using an abrasive as the medium seems contradictory in the extreme. My example above, of applying car wax with sandpaper, is an illustration that gives some indication of what I mean. It just makes zero sense to me.
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Looking through my old BTM's I ran across a interesting comment by Bill Hall.
Not about Finesse-it, just polishes with abrasives in them in general.
He said:
"As you polish the ball, particles imbed themselves in the shell of the ball and these particles will later redeposit themselves on the lane."
This quote is from:
BTM Vol. 6, #2 Februry, 1999, Page 20
Article name :
"Keeping that "like new" ball reaction"
on page 22, in the "Shine baby, shine" section