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Brickguy221

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How Does a Person Match a Factory NIB Ball Surface?
« on: March 05, 2010, 10:16:25 AM »
I picked up the following quote from a post by tburky in the Storm Forum and I think he may be on to something, so I decided to start a topic about it here in this Forum. This was his post and I followed it with my recent experience this past week.

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Here is something that Chris Schlemer told me. Using abralon by hand puts more texture on the surface of a ball versus sanding on the spinner across the ball track.  


Now, I think what he said here could very well be. Especially in thinking about my trying to bring a ball (from another manufacturer) back to 2000 grit abralon as it looked when NIB this past week. I had previously polished it lightly and it didn''''''''''''''''t do what I wanted, so I decided to return it to it''''''''''''''''s NIB form.

I sanded it on 4 sides with a 360 Abralon pad to remove polish. I then sanded it on 4 sides (30 seconds each side) with a new 500 Grit Abralon pad, followed by sanding on 4 sides very LIGHTLY (30 seconds each side) with a new 2000 grit Abralon pad. When I finished, the ball looked more like 4000 grit Abralon and not a 2000 Grit abralon factory finish. In fact after the 500 grit Abralon sanding, it looked closer to the original NIB texture than it did after the 2000 grit sanding.

So based on what tburky said Chris Schlemer told him, that plus my recent experience that I just described makes me wonder if using Abralon on the spinner at a specific grit will give the ball the appearance of looking like a higher grit was used because a spinner runs 300-400 RPM and the machines used at the factories turn at approx 25 RPM of which I recall reading somewhere recently.

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Edited on 3/6/2010 12:13 PM
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Brickguy221

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Re: How Does a Person Match a Factory NIB Ball Surface?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2010, 07:27:32 PM »
Andrew, thanks for the chart. I have printed it off from the link you supplied. I'll take a look at sandpaper vs abralon the next ball I do.

Thanks to the others that contributed here.

As for duplicating the factory finish, I only try to come as close as possible when a NIB ball performed exactly like I wanted OOB which is the case for a ball I recently obtained. I wanted to try it on less oily conditions, so I changed surface and polished lightly and it did exactly what I wanted on that condition. Then I bought another ball for that specific condition, so that I could return the ball to it's original factory cover and I didn't get that exact reaction that it originally had. Thus the reason for my topic here.

I alter a balls surface right out of the box as some of you do if it doesn't do what I want, but in this specific case, the ball out of box was perfect until I changed sanding grit and polished it.

Icewall may have a good point in using the abralon pads by hand with lots of water as I will be the first to admit that a spinner seems really hard on abralon pads no matter how light the pressure used, especially when compared to a haus machine that turns at a way slower speed, thus it's pads last much longer.
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tburky

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Re: How Does a Person Match a Factory NIB Ball Surface?
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2010, 08:40:38 PM »
When you put the ball on the spinner the tendency is that you smooth the peaks of the surface which gives the ball an appearance of a low shine.

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Re: How Does a Person Match a Factory NIB Ball Surface?
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2010, 09:00:27 PM »
Whenver i get a new ball, I'll always hit it with 500 grit first, then go to whatever grit level I want the ball at.  I never throw a ball at the factory oob finish, because u never truely know whats on the ball
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Re: How Does a Person Match a Factory NIB Ball Surface?
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2010, 02:29:36 AM »
As lenstanles703 has said, you should worry more about the end reaction and the ability to reproduce that surface. Our products really help reproduce the out of box reaction and backend recovery, and our products make it easy to replicate the surface.

To restore OOB you''ll always want to start off the ball by sanding with a 320 grit pad. This will help to remove the "spent" coverstock and open up the oil channels.

After you have sanded the ball with the 320 grit pad, you''ll want to use Resurrection which is our resurfacing paste. Resurrection finishes the surface to 800 matte/sheen which is perfect for heavy oil. This surface matches OOB for heavy oilers.

If the ball is a pearl/polished you''ll want to follow up with Snake Oil, which does not change the underlying grit. The ball will still have the bite of the matte ball, which a nice skid to play medium conditions.

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Re: How Does a Person Match a Factory NIB Ball Surface?
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2010, 06:28:20 AM »
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Replecating the factory finish doesn't mean much to me. I just worry about getting the reaction I want.
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Re: How Does a Person Match a Factory NIB Ball Surface?
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2010, 06:51:52 PM »
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Whenver i get a new ball, I'll always hit it with 500 grit first, then go to whatever grit level I want the ball at.  I never throw a ball at the factory oob finish, because u never truely know whats on the ball
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Re: How Does a Person Match a Factory NIB Ball Surface?
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2010, 06:57:43 PM »
Instead of searching for the factory surface, you should sand the ball when its nib to a grit you can sand the ball too again. Then you know exactly how it reacted when it was new, and what you should do to make it react like that again
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