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slashrr69

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coverstock gurus??
« on: October 07, 2009, 02:51:42 AM »
to all the coverstock gurus out there, I have some questions for you..?? just go with me on this one, if you understand what Iam trying to ask great.. a solid reactive ball is all reactive?? a pearl is what?? what is a hybrid coverstock?? what is the difference between a pearl with mica and a pearl with particle in it?? if there are any other coverstock please explain them to me..?? thankss for any info givin.. slashrr69

 

charlest

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Re: coverstock gurus??
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2009, 03:56:28 PM »
(I do not and will never calim to be a guru. So pardon me if I replied when I shouldn''''t have. I have some information to offer which I believe to be correct as I type this. So FWIW ...)

INTRO: Please realize that unless the manufacturer tells us or someone what the ball is made of, all we can do is guess. At times in the recent past, all the manufacturers, have not exactly been forthcoming with exact contents of coverstocks. This was especially true after many people blamed particles in a resin base for being responsible for excessive oil absorption and consequent loss of some or much of a ball''''''''s performance. Some manufcaturers even said a ball was "plain" resin, when it did contain particles of some sort.

* All resins, urethanes and polyester balls are in the family called plastics.

* AFAIK, resin is urethane with a special additive.

* If a ball is called reactive resin or reactive urethane, we assume it is all resin, be it solid or pearl, unless the manufacturers indicates something else.

* There have been ball with a combination of resin and urethane. One example is the Hammer Black Pure Hammer.

* AFAIK, theoretically pearlized resin balls are created when very small particles of mica are added to solid resin. They make the shell less elastic, NOT softer. So less of the ball''''''''s surface is in contact with the lane. Less surface = less friction = more length.

* When particles, which can be anything from rubber to diamonds, are added to resin or urethane, solid or pearl, they provide traction, like studs add traction to winter snow tires. So you can have

Solid particle resin,
solid particle urethane (Visionary Midnight Scorcher),
Pearlized particle resin (also called particle pearl), or
Pearlized particle urethane. (Visionary Purple Ice Executioner)
{I believe in the 80s, Columbia actually put some form of particles in one or two of their polyester or urethane balls. Orange Dot??)

* When larger sized mica are added to solid or pearl resin, they act like particles. Storm has done this in the past and does this now (2nd Dimension)

* Hybrids: combinations. Can  be combinations of almost anything. Most often are the solid/pearl resin hybrid. The cover can be polished, dull or matte. Others combinations I have seen and remember:

- Solid resin with particle solid resin
- pearl + solid resin, both with light load of particles.

Any resin can have any strength, that is, degree of friction. So can particles, from Mica to super hard ones in the original Brunswick "proactive" particle balls and Lanemasters diamonds (really industrial diamond dust).
So a ball''''''''s strength in the midlane or the backend or on oil depends on both the coverstock''''''''s resin base''''''''s strength, as well as the hardness or how many particles were put into the resin (or urethane) base. So the percentage "load" of the particles, from 1% to 6% or higher, also affect a ball''''''''s friction.

(If I think of anything else and someone has not yet added it, I will.)
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JOE FALCO

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Re: coverstock gurus??
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 04:16:05 PM »
CHARLEST .. That's why it's good to have you nearby .. all that info will NEVER sink in for me. Thanks .. I printed it for further reference!
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kidlost2000

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Re: coverstock gurus??
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2009, 04:20:05 PM »
I got a question to add to this that I have wondered about for some time...


Back in the day you would have a solid ball come out then a pearl. Like the Red Wolf solid, then the Red Wolf Pearl for example. They had two distinct looks.(Danger Zone, Danger Zone Black Ice, Synergy Pearl, Syenrgy Solid ect)

Today bowling balls come out that look pearl(like the red wolf pearl did) but are not mentioned as a pearl ball and when you ask the manufacture they say they are solid but the color is a pearl.

Then you have other balls that are listed as pearls that look solid like the Hammer Burn and The Track Kinetic Pearl.

So is a pearl a pearl?  

Does the pearl/swirl look have anything to do with the cover reaction or was that something done originally to show a difference between two bowling balls like the Red Wolf and Red Wolf Pearl?

If it was done to show a difference it would also explain why companies like Brunswick would make different tour editions of bowling balls like the Danger Zone that would have different pin colors to distinguish what the ball was. That way if you watched them on TV they all looked like they were throwing the same ball for every pattern, when in actuality they could have been pearl versions and whatever that all looked the same.


Make sense? Anybody know? lol


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charlest

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Re: coverstock gurus??
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 06:34:14 PM »
quote:
I got a question to add to this that I have wondered about for some time...


Back in the day you would have a solid ball come out then a pearl. Like the Red Wolf solid, then the Red Wolf Pearl for example. They had two distinct looks.(Danger Zone, Danger Zone Black Ice, Synergy Pearl, Syenrgy Solid ect)

Today bowling balls come out that look pearl(like the red wolf pearl did) but are not mentioned as a pearl ball and when you ask the manufacture they say they are solid but the color is a pearl.

Then you have other balls that are listed as pearls that look solid like the Hammer Burn and The Track Kinetic Pearl.

So is a pearl a pearl?  

Does the pearl/swirl look have anything to do with the cover reaction or was that something done originally to show a difference between two bowling balls like the Red Wolf and Red Wolf Pearl?

If it was done to show a difference it would also explain why companies like Brunswick would make different tour editions of bowling balls like the Danger Zone that would have different pin colors to distinguish what the ball was. That way if you watched them on TV they all looked like they were throwing the same ball for every pattern, when in actuality they could have been pearl versions and whatever that all looked the same.

Make sense? Anybody know? lol

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My reply is in 3 parts:

1. Please realize that unless the manufacturer tells us or someone what the ball is made of, all we can do is guess. At times in the recent past, all the manufacturers, have not exactly been forthcoming with exact contents of coverstocks.

2. Brunswick touring editions were not just pearls or swirls. They were different coverstocks, with different cores, both pearl and solid, with different degrees/amounts of friction. Sometimes solids would have more skid and less backend than pearls would. It all depended on the coverstock's properties. That is no less true today for every brand. It depends on the properties of the coverstock. No more, no less.

Even today, some pearlized coverstocks have more friction up front, that is, less skid than some solid resins.

3. Looks mean nothing. Not one thing. Solids can LOOK like they are pearlized. Pearls can apear to be like polished solids. The ball reaction is the only thing that counts. "You can't tell a book by its cover."
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Re: coverstock gurus??
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2009, 06:41:59 PM »
"3. Looks mean nothing. Not one thing. Solids can LOOK like they are pearlized. Pearls can apear to be like polished solids. The ball reaction is the only thing that counts. "You can't tell a book by its cover." "

So true. Ebonite is famous for their pearl coloring on solid reactives.

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kidlost2000

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Re: coverstock gurus??
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2009, 07:22:16 PM »
Thats what I was wondering.

So would you say that the reason it was done, especially back in the day, was so the two bowling balls would look differnt?

ex. Red Wolf solid and Red Wolf Pearl.


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charlest

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Re: coverstock gurus??
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2009, 07:48:06 PM »
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Thats what I was wondering.

So would you say that the reason it was done, especially back in the day, was so the two bowling balls would look differnt?

ex. Red Wolf solid and Red Wolf Pearl.
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Are you implying that the RW solid and pearl were the same balls with only different looks to separate them?

One was dull and other was polished. Could that have been their only difference?

I ask because while I never tried the solid, I was enticed into trying the Red Wolf Pearl because of the rave reviews it got, and I could never get it to work. I was less knowledgable then and I could have used the wrong drilling for my release.
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