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J_w73

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Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« on: March 25, 2009, 05:47:56 AM »
I have been using the Ebonite Powerhouse delayed reaction on a couple of my balls.  I picked up some Track Delayed Reaction thinking it would be the same thing and it is not.  I thought it would be the same because it said it had a grape smell which the Ebonite one has.. The track one I got is a lot thinner and a different smell, not grape..
Does anyone know how different they are as far as performance and application.  The track one says to let it dry to a haze and then remove.
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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 02:04:28 PM »
Should be the same formulation (other than smell) when Ebonite chose to continue Track's products under their own label such as Clean & Dull etc.
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J_w73

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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 03:00:22 PM »
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Should be the same formulation (other than smell) when Ebonite chose to continue Track's products under their own label such as Clean & Dull etc.
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they are definately different .. the powerhouse is a purple thick cream type.. and this track one is as thin as water and pretty clear..
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J_w73

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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2009, 03:24:44 PM »
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just wait to charlest chimes in...he's the guy to ask....
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Edited on 3/25/2009 3:25 PM
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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2009, 03:31:14 PM »
J_w73,

It's possible that the Track bottle you have is old. I have and am currently using my last bottle of Track DR. I also have a bottle of Powerhouse DR, ordered a couple of months ago. I just went down to my workshop, looked them over carefully and shook them both a lot to insure they were mixed up properly.

Both appear identical in consistency and color (a sickly bark pale blue or light bluish-purple. I'm not a woman. I don't have a fancy name for this ugly color.) and both seem to have that grape aroma. The Track one is labeled as having a grape aroma. I have used the Track one on a couple of balls recently and it definitely works. I can only assume the Powerhouse one will also work.

For whatever it's worth,
The name, APP, Applied Polishing Products, as the manufacturer, no
longer appears on either the Track, nor the Powerhouse label. It used to be on the back. I do not know if they sold the formula to Ebonite. APP had made these products for Track up until the sale of Columbia to Ebonite. I do not know if APP has the same relationship with Ebonite, as they did with Track.

Many polishing products change consistency over time. I specifically remembering some Clean and Dull bottles becoming very watery several years ago, but they still worked fine. Normal C&D is a gel.

J_w73,

All I can suggest is to shake that bottle of Track DR very well and hard. Then try it on one ball and see if it adds length AND reduces the backend. If it does, fine. Use it until empty. If not, throw it away and use the Powerhouse bottle.

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J_w73

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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2009, 03:57:44 PM »
thanks.. I shook it up and it didn't do anythind different.. maybe everything is settled out.. this is an 8oz bottle from b*wlingball.com
the 4 oz on the size said something about the grape smell .. but not the 8 oz..
this one also talks about letting it glaze over..it also has APP on the label.

I will stick a stick in it to see if something settled out in it..

thanks for the help
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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2009, 06:03:44 PM »
The only polish I had where something settled out was a set of very old, Sqeeky Clean abrasive polishes. The abrasive precipitated out and I was unable to mix it back up with the liquid. I had to drive a screwdriver blade into the rock-hardened abrasive lump at the bottom. No good, garbage.

if it's too old, it's too old.

Track-bottled Delayed Reactiion can still be fine, as judged by the bottle I have. Got mine from Buddies.
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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 06:09:47 PM »
figured out the problem. I poured the contents of the bottle out into another container.. first all watery liquid.. then clumps of white rubbery stuff..
it will break up but will not resolubolize into the liquid.. just turns to really fine chunks...  There is no purple coloring or grape smell at all.

I guess this bottle I got is no good.
gonna see if I can get a replacement without too much hassle
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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2009, 08:51:11 PM »
I have a bottle of the Track DR that I bought about 4 years ago.  When I got it, shook it up and used it the first time it was solids suspended in a clear liquid.  And it still looks the same - definitely two phase.  But it works as designed.  --  JohnP

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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2009, 01:06:55 PM »
Hey J_w,

Here is a direct quote from Brian Pursel who was VP of Track when I worked for him in regards to the Clean and Dull product when Track had the licensing rights.

   
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Checked with the manufacturer of the polishes.  Al said that the gelatinous nature of Clean and Dull will decrease over time, but the chemical make-up of the cleaner/tackifier remains in tact.


If I remember correctly, this also happened to a few of the other cleaners.

 
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I thought it would be the same because it said it had a grape smell which the Ebonite one has.. The track one I got is a lot thinner and a different smell, not grape


The Track polishes/cleaners did not start using scents until the last year or so prior to the Ebonite asset buyout.

 
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J_w73,

All I can suggest is to shake that bottle of Track DR very well and hard. Then try it on one ball and see if it adds length AND reduces the backend. If it does, fine. Use it until empty. If not, throw it away and use the Powerhouse bottle.


I agree...
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J_w73

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Re: Delayed Reaction by Powerhouse Ebonite vs Track
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2009, 06:37:45 PM »
well bowling ball.com is sending me 2 4oz bottles of the purple grape product..

the one I have was no good.. no amount of shaking, stirring or mixing was going to bring it back.. all the solids at the bottom would not resolubilize into the mixture .
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