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brmcm15

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« on: August 26, 2007, 04:52:58 AM »
what would be the cheapest way to recover my toxics coverstock? i had let my ball sit in hot water for about an hour and my ball has been like dead for the past 10 games or so.

 

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2007, 02:23:34 PM »
Sitting in hot water may bring the oil to the surface but as it sits there for an hour the water gets cooler and the oil and probably some water gets re-absorbed. This is the reason why the "hot water" procedure generally says something like,

1. sand the ball to 220 - 320 grit. This opens up the ball's "pores" a little bit.
2. Fill bucket with hot water and small amount of dishwahing soap/degreaser, like Dawn. Temperature should be arounds 140 degrees, never any more than 150 degrees Fahrenheit. (Soap/degreaser helps to break down the oil chemically and helps prevent re-absorption.
3. Let ball sit in bucket for 15 - 20 minutes, with the holes sitting above the waterline, as a safety precaution. The water temperature will cool during that time.
4. Remove ball and wipe down quickly with towel, paper or cloth.
5. Repeat until you no longer see oil at the water's surface.
6. Restore ball to desired finish.
7. Check ball's reaction on the lanes.
8. Repeat steps 1 - 7 as needed.

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2007, 02:27:19 PM »
brmcm,

Charlest is spot on.  Dont leave the ball in the water for more than 20 minutes.  Chances are, that only one soaking may not be enough to get all the oil out.  I have known people to repeat the steps 4-5 times before the ball came back to life.
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Re: coverstock
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2007, 06:47:33 PM »
So if he is doing this at home, how will he bring back the original finish of the Toxic?

I don't quite agree with sanding the ball first, especially for a do-it-yourself job.

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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2007, 09:08:25 PM »
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So if he is doing this at home, how will he bring back the original finish of the Toxic?

I don't quite agree with sanding the ball first, especially for a do-it-yourself job.

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Not everybody/all pro shops have Revivors or Rejuvenators and Haus machines. Some of us have to make do with more manual procedures.

First you restore the ball's capability; then you restore the surface. I presumed his extraction process was not as thorough as it might be. So I offered a more detailed description of the "hot water" bath process as I remembered it.

Original surface of the Toxic is 1000 grit + Ebonite's Factory Finish polish, if I recall correctly.

If the ball can be restored to close to its original performance, then he can worry about what the precise finish process is.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 09:17:55 PM »
Either way, he'll have to visit a pro shop. (unless he has a spinner)

Resurfacing or at least a fresh outer shell is as important as extracting the oil. I understand a lot of shops do not have a Haus/Revivor, but they should have the know-how on how to do the job right. This time a year ago I was soaking balls in buckets and giving them a resurface by hand.

The Revivor/Haus does a much more thorough job with better results, it might be a good idea to seek out a shop with the equipment.
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Edited on 8/26/2007 10:11 PM
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2007, 10:08:41 PM »
i'm of the opinion that if your pro shop does not have a revivor/rejuvenator and a haus-type machine then go find one that does.....these tools are that good and they provide a valuable service that you'll be able to see( consistent ball reaction game after game ).

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2007, 03:57:34 AM »
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i'm of the opinion that if your pro shop does not have a revivor/rejuvenator and a haus-type machine then go find one that does.....these tools are that good and they provide a valuable service that you'll be able to see( consistent ball reaction game after game ).


I dont like this opinion. The fact is that some Haus machines and equipment of that nature can cost almost as much as some drill presses. They can also break down and have to be sent out for repairs. If a shop doesnt have one, it doesnt always mean that there is no way to get a ball back to box with a resurface. I am right with Nick on this one. Over the last 3 years before Carl got the new show that the Haus machine was already in. I did resufaces by hand witht he hot water bath and then pulling covers back up by hand on the spinner. Also because of the introduction of abralon, you can get a higher grit cover by hand thanks to 4000 abralon. IMHO no bowler should not know how to use scotch brights and abralon pads. You never know when you will be at a tournament and you need more grit to cut through the oil. You also never know what a proshop will charge durring such tournament to do that for you. Sure they may charge 3 bucks or something like that durring normal league and open play but come tournament time when you are in a pickel, some shops are down right wrong and will bump that price up to say 15 bucks. The only thing I say you need a spinner for is if you need a high gloss finish weather it be by polish or use of some other cloth.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2007, 04:07:31 AM »
Bottom line = Haus > Spinner

More efficient, best investment a shop can make. Mine is constantly humming with resurface jobs.
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2007, 05:15:22 AM »
quote:
Bottom line = Haus > Spinner

More efficient, best investment a shop can make. Mine is constantly humming with resurface jobs.
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I agree great for a shop, but bad for guys like me who learned and mastered the skill of ball spinner work.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2007, 06:04:58 AM »
the pro shop i frequent in kansas city is the busiest in town. by using the haus machine his customers( and me ) get a ball that's been resurfaced/refinished/scuffed, etc. as good as possible and it free's him up to take care of other business. from a bowlers viewpoint this is a no lose situation.