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xrayjay

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does the color of the cover stock have some...
« on: December 02, 2015, 01:31:09 PM »
affect in ball reaction vs balls with multi color?
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kidlost2000

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Re: does the color of the cover stock have some...
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2016, 11:10:42 AM »
Does it matter since we can't change the ball color?  Similar to core discussion etc the manufacturers take all of that into consideration when making and selling the ball.

With the exception of multi optioned entry level bowling balls the rest of it is not an option.
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Re: does the color of the cover stock have some...
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2016, 11:29:38 AM »
Kid...completely playing devil's advocate here in my response that pigment DOES make a difference:

You are correct about not being able to choose ball color unless it is entry level (Tropicals, Strike Kings, etc)...what about a ball like the Optimus Solid. I have one and have seen others punched and on display and the ball is a mix of red/yellow/blue (as stated on the box label). What if one Optimus comes out almost completely red...and another is almost all blue? Yes, they might be marked as 2nds or X Comps or  whatever Storm labels them, but from ball to ball, there could be a substantial difference in ball reaction and as a customer, we have NO say in what ball we get. The red Optimus could hook X more than an almost all blue Optimus.

What are we going to ask our pro shop owner to do? Call Ace Mitchell (distributor) and have one of the pullers in the warehouse look through 10-15 Optimus Solids to see which one has more red pigment than another?
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Re: does the color of the cover stock have some...
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2016, 03:11:33 PM »
Think abt this logically...do you honestly think one color 'hooked' 5 boards more than another? Seriously? If that was the case every high performance highest 'hook' rated ball would be red...every mid range ball would be black...every low end reaction would be white?
When we tested balls (while I was at Brunswick) the largest gap I ever saw was 1/2 board and we had Bayer doing our mixing and helping with the chemical compound...
When you're coming out with a new product you're looking at aesthetics...and keep in mind...companies are running out of color combos and names
It's been stated previously...its perception...its what your eye either sees or wants to sees...why you think so many players like all black balls? Less contrast
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Re: does the color of the cover stock have some...
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2016, 03:17:29 PM »
Wowzers that's like bowlers thinking hybrids are such because the ball has a solid and pearl resin mixed and one being stronger then the other because it has more "solid" then "pearl" in the mix…..any never think about the entire ball surface being the same finish. Then we have the previous mention topics of engraved labels effecting ball reaction.

People worried about those factors aren't a factor on the lanes.

If only my ball had more red pigment………….or more solid in the hybrid… then I'd have carried that flat 10 pin that cost me.
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Re: does the color of the cover stock have some...
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2016, 03:18:37 PM »
How do you gauge multi-color? And yes hybrids are ALL marketing...
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Re: does the color of the cover stock have some...
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2016, 03:28:39 PM »
Agree with both of you Kid and Rico.
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Re: does the color of the cover stock have some...
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2016, 03:37:30 PM »
When a perception is based upon an individual's visual...it becomes reality...it's amazing what one can believe when they think they see something...
Take lighting into consideration over the lane and where the ball reacts
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Re: does the color of the cover stock have some...
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2016, 03:51:59 PM »
So was amf/global behind or ahead when they couldn't make tri colored bowling balls before joining with storm/roto?

Maybe all tri colored balls are a disadvantage vs solid single colors….. Or are dual and tri colored balls the first hybrid covers?
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Re: does the color of the cover stock have some...
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2016, 12:57:28 PM »
This argument goes clear back to the polyester era.  Most people thought that pigments did impact hook potential on Columbia balls.  Red, Carmel seemed to be stronger than blue green gray and black in the white dot series.  Columbia seemed to tacitly acknowledge this, using red for its strong hooking yellow dot, and gray for its dry lane blue dot.  Hardness was the biggest factor back then, and it was more impacted by the curing process which was not done in a climate controlled environment during that era.  However different pigments may have also had an impact on hardness. 
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