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tdub36tjt

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Ebonite factory finish question
« on: October 05, 2008, 01:07:42 PM »
When Ebonite says factory finish is 4000 polished, what does this mean? Does it mean they sand it 4000 abralon then apply powerhouse factory finish? Or does it mean the final grit after polishing equals 4000?  If it is the latter, what grit sanding is generally required to achieve this finsih grit?
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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 09:17:41 PM »
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When Ebonite says factory finish is 4000 polished, what does this mean? Does it mean they sand it 4000 abralon then apply powerhouse factory finish?


I'm betting on the above one.
(Actually, pretty sure an Ebonite or Hammer rep said that explicitly.)

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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2008, 09:22:01 PM »
Whoops, I mis-read the question.

It is sanded to 4000 grit and then a coat of polish is applied.
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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2008, 09:35:54 PM »
I was just wondering because my friend has a playmaker that was a beast out of box, lots of midlane and very strong backend. But after sanding it to 4000 and polishing it,it goes forever and never really reads the lane. It's not an issue of more oil or anything and the oil was extracted, just can't get that OOB move that  it made. Have always had a problem with Ebo stuff not being the same after the surface was brought back to "OOB". Not really had a problem with ball death.
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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2008, 09:39:08 PM »
Definitely search through the posts about our products in the Coverstock prep forum. Our products really restore the OOB preformance and a super easy to duplicate everytime.

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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2008, 09:43:25 PM »
I have purchased your sample pack just haven't got a chance to use your polish yet. I will try it on my friends ball when I get a chance.

quote]Definitely search through the posts about our products in the Coverstock prep forum. Our products really restore the OOB preformance and a super easy to duplicate everytime.

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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2008, 09:51:19 PM »
I've heard that factory abralon grits, aren't the same grit as "joe blow" buys. Don't know if that's correct or not though.


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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2008, 10:02:56 PM »
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I was just wondering because my friend has a playmaker that was a beast out of box, lots of midlane and very strong backend. But after sanding it to 4000 and polishing it,it goes forever and never really reads the lane. It's not an issue of more oil or anything and the oil was extracted, just can't get that OOB move that  it made. Have always had a problem with Ebo stuff not being the same after the surface was brought back to "OOB". Not really had a problem with ball death.


tdub36tjt,

You have to be cautious about the 4000 Abralon pads. They wear VERY quickly. Once the ball's at 2000 Abralon, it only needs a slight touch with the 4000 grit pad. Same for the Factory Finish polish. Once a ball is at 4000 grit, it only needs very little polish and very little pressure to make it shine.  People often press hard to make it look shiny & "pretty". That adds LOTS of length.

Aside: I did not think the Playmaker was 4000 Abralon + polish, but I just looked at the Ebonite website and it did say that. I have to go look at my BTM and BJI and see what they said. I thought I remember something like 1000 grit + polish.

In any case, If 4000 Abralon + polish doesn't give him the look he wants, there's nothing to stop him from doing 2000 Abralon + polish to get an earlier lane read.

Valentino's Resurrection + Snake Oil will also give you a good midlane read,
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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2008, 10:05:02 PM »
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I've heard that factory abralon grits, aren't the same grit as "joe blow" buys. Don't know if that's correct or not though.
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Abralon ain't Scotch-Brite, but Abralon = Abralon. There's only one manufacturer, so far, as far as I know, Mirka.
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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 09:14:55 AM »
tdub36tjt,

One additional note: That cover, 10.7, is extremely oil absorptive. What looks like the ball skidding ("after sanding it to 4000 and polishing it,it goes forever and never really reads the lane") could be "ball death" or just reduction in performance. It only takes 40 - 50 games, not much these days, to absorb a lot of oil or bring plasticizer to the surface.

I checked the BTM and BJI reviews. BTM also says 4000 grit + polish. BJI said 2000 abralon + polish.

Why was he re-doing the surface, anyway?

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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 11:29:48 AM »
When I was compiling surface and core info for a spreadsheet I had the Playmaker at 2k and polish
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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 12:11:45 PM »
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When I was compiling surface and core info for a spreadsheet I had the Playmaker at 2k and polish


That's what BJI's review said.
BTM and their website say 4000 Abralon.

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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 12:51:17 PM »
He was re-doing the surface cause one of the local bowling alleys was dry the night he bowled and it tracked the ball up bad and the polish was gone. He did oil extraction but maybe it is still ball death?

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tdub36tjt,

One additional note: That cover, 10.7, is extremely oil absorptive. What looks like the ball skidding ("after sanding it to 4000 and polishing it,it goes forever and never really reads the lane") could be "ball death" or just reduction in performance. It only takes 40 - 50 games, not much these days, to absorb a lot of oil or bring plasticizer to the surface.

I checked the BTM and BJI reviews. BTM also says 4000 grit + polish. BJI said 2000 abralon + polish.

Why was he re-doing the surface, anyway?

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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2008, 02:53:05 PM »
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He was re-doing the surface cause one of the local bowling alleys was dry the night he bowled and it tracked the ball up bad and the polish was gone. He did oil extraction but maybe it is still ball death?


Hard to tell unless a better rejuvenation session shows better midlane or more hooking power. Is there a local Pro Shop with a Hook Again or a Revivor or a Rejuventor (the temperature controlled oven)? That way you can be positive about the technique. It could show the ball contains no more oil.

I'd try a lower grit sanding first, like 2000 Abralon or a light grey nylon pad or Valentino's Resurrection (which is also a surface refresher) and then add the polish.



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Re: Ebonite factory finish question
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 04:57:36 PM »
I'll try Resurrection and Snake oil see if it helps
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