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Gazoo

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As one who doesn't really like to polish
« on: February 06, 2009, 01:11:08 PM »
Is 4000 grit sanded abralon really close to 1500 grit polished as I have heard?
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 11:03:36 PM »
One man's opinion:
"4000 grit (FEPA) Abralon" is equivalent to "1500 grit US polished" in oil handling but smoother and less backend:
For many pearls, yes.
For solids, not so much.
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 05:07:57 AM »
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One man's opinion:
"4000 grit (FEPA) Abralon" is equivalent to "1500 grit US polished" in oil handling but smoother and less backend:
For many pearls, yes.
For solids, not so much.
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I agree it depends on the person and the ball.

for me its not even close it causes my pearls to hook way earlier and kills the backend.

BUT it should give you similar oil handling capabilities just a different hook motion.
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 05:42:25 AM »
heres a GREAT alternative for people who are having trouble with polish.

first have your ball at a fresh polished state which you probably hate due to over under OR too much skid. the take an abralon pad by hand, 2000 or 4000 grit whichever you feel you need and VERY lightly scuff the surface (just gently over the ball) this will start to scuff off the polish almost like youve bowled a few games on it already.

some of the pros are doing this and i tried it and i really like the results. you get a touch less length and tames the backend just enough (for me)

the duller the grit you use the more length and backend you will remove... I think of it as a quick easy way to fine tune my balls surfaces.

its just an idea that I have tinkered with and so far it has worked VERY well for me.
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 08:39:24 AM »
I agree with icewall in regards to knocking some of the "gloss" off the shine.

Another method that works well for me is to have LOTS of surface under the polish. I have several great balls at 320 to 600 grit plus polish.


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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 08:41:48 AM »
White pad will slightly haze the shine down and not kill the backend, most of the time cant tell the ball was ever hit with the white pad.
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 10:51:28 AM »
I personally like to use either 1000 abralon or Resurrection to put some surface on the ball, then polish it BY HAND with Snake Oil.  By not using a spinner, you get a much less shiny finish.  This gets you more length and response to friction but still lets the ball read early enough that you don't slide on past the midlane.
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2009, 11:00:39 AM »
Personally, if you don't want the high gloss look, I really like Rough Buff by Brunswick.  It is a great complement between a dull surface (ball roll too soon) and the high gloss (creates over under or too much skid).  I have learned by playing with the different adjustments, that rough buff helps the ball to get through the front part of the lane and yet allow the ball to still read the midlane enough to smoothen out the backend.  

Also, remember that surface under the polish means alot as well.  Even with High Gloss or Factory Finish, 500 abralon vs. 4000 abralon under it will still look considerably different.  Another thing....is that according to Mo Pinel, your ball, optimumly, should not have polish until you reach a minimum of 2000 abralon.  According to testing, when it comes to duplicating surfaces, it is much more difficult to duplicate surfaces trying to polish balls at anything under 2000.
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2009, 11:03:02 AM »
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first have your ball at a fresh polished state which you probably hate due to over under OR too much skid. the take an abralon pad by hand, 2000 or 4000 grit whichever you feel you need and VERY lightly scuff the surface (just gently over the ball) this will start to scuff off the polish almost like you've bowled a few games on it already.


I always carry a worn 4000 pad with me for that purpose!

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Another method that works well for me is to have LOTS of surface under the polish. I have several great balls at 320 to 600 grit plus polish.

My favorite underlying grit is 500 abralon lately. For solids, sometimes I use up to slightly used 1000 abralon.

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Is 4000 grit sanded abralon really close to 1500 grit polished as I have heard?

I actually heard "fresh" 4000 abralon is similar to rough buff. However, IME rough buff is cleaner and more responsive to the friction.

As far as being equivalent to 1500 grit polish (I assume it's Storm's "1500 grit polished" term), I agree with charlest. Oil handling capability should be similar, but with VERY different reaction.

Also 4000 abralon sanded surfaces are usually less effected by carrydown. That is the solution I used to use for my "carry-down allergic" Intense and Smoking Infernos.
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 12:14:18 PM »
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Another method that works well for me is to have LOTS of surface under the polish. I have several great balls at 320 to 600 grit plus polish.

 


Clay, I used to do that all of the time when I used sand paper and scotch brite pads. Usually 400 or 600 grit sanding and then polish with 3M Finesse-It II or Brunswick High Gloss Fctory Polish and sometimes Legends Polish. I now use mostly Abralon Pads and currently polish with Valentino's Snake Oil when polish is required.
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 02:26:52 PM »
Who doesn't like polish?

If you look in my bag right now, you'll only see polished equipment. Vendetta (600/SO), Big-R-Bang (1500/SO), Black Pearl (800/SO) and a Vendetta particle (800/light coat SO)  I prefer a polished bowling ball because they are more predictable and controllable. Polish allows the bowling ball to "skate" on the oil, which will push the snap and roll further down the lane where you want it to be so the ball doesn't roll out. When I sand bowling balls with a 4000 grit pad I usually get a rolled out reaction and the bowling balls hits the pin DEAD.

Not only does it add distance to your bowling ball, but it brings out the deep color and gives the ball a wow factor.

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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 10:17:48 PM »
im with you^^^^^ the only dull balls i have for house shots are my benchmark which is a rival/arch rival ATM.
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 12:42:48 AM »
instead of polish i just finished the ball(s) with the grit of abralon i want and used storms cleaners...(megabite for particle and reacta for reactive and pearl balls) you need a ball spinner also!  it leaves the ball(s) with a some what of a shine but not glossy...  i love it.  :->
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Re: As one who doesn't really like to polish
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 03:08:15 AM »
For me, VERY different pairs of shoes. 4.000 Abralon has surprisingly much traction for me (on any ball I tried it so far), and compared to 1.500 grit + polish such a ball would read the lane much earlier/better and also have much better control at the breakpoint.
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