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dizzyfugu

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Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« on: October 15, 2009, 08:27:59 PM »
Well, that's what I am about to try, but I am not sure how to achieve it so that the result is an even but light coat of polish.

Background is that I want to add some more length to my black Pure Hammer (5x5 drilling) for late games. Currently it is at 1.500 grit wet sanded, a sheen finish, and I like the overall arcing reaction I get from it. It is excellent for medium-dry lanes and straight lines between 1st and 2nd arrow.

Anyway, I want to put the ball's utility range more into the dry lane direction. When I got the ball, I had it highly polished but it behaved like a hook monster! It was super aggressive, and just with the sheen surface it became the tame (and useful) ball it now is. It just tends to read the lane pretty soon and well.

My current idea is now to add some <i>light</i> polish to get it a bit better through the heads. I already had it at 2.000 and 4.000 Abralon, but that was not "good". So I want to stay with the 1.500 grit base and just add some shine.

My question is - will it work if I just put a little polish on a cloth and apply it on 4 or 6 sides on a spinner? I am a bit afraid that the result will not be even at all?
Or could I add some water to the polish, thinning it for easier use and even application? I got this tip from MoRich's customer service a while back, but for Rough Buff.

I have at hand:
- Brunswick's High Gloss polish
- Lanemasters gritless polish (my favorite for the experiment)
- Finesse-It II rubbing compound

Plus a self-made spinner.

Any suggestions are welcome, thank you in advance!
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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 04:54:15 AM »
I used the Lanemaster's polish and did this to my Avalanche over a 2000 abralon surface.  Although the polish was my pro shop's and it appeared a little clear.  Unless that's how it's supposed to look I think water may have been added.  I only used about a half-dime-sized dab on two sides, rubbed it on the ball and turned on the spinner.  Really it gave the ball the appearance of a matte finish that lane shined.
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dizzyfugu

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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 06:59:00 AM »
Ah, thank you Justin! I suppose I will try something similar - did you notice a change in reaction of the Avalanche Solid? Esp. concerning length and in the head area?
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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2009, 08:19:37 AM »
dizzy,

I also like Lanemaster's factory finish for what you're doing because it takes slightly longer to get a shine on the ball.

I'm not sure why you're so worried about an even shine. The spinner really does really take care of that. And I still think doing 6 "sides" of a ball is rather obsessive. FYI to help with the even spread of the polish, I'll often wipe or spread the polish with the rag/pad/cloth over the exposed area of the ball before turning on the spinner. Work your hand up and down the "side" the ball from side to top, up and down slowly.

The resin/urethane combo of the Black Hammer is probably a little hard than plain resin. SO that will or should add to the evenness of the shine, because it will take slightly longer to get a shine than a full resin ball.

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Justin,

I have had a lot of little bottles of Lanemasters cleaner because of all the Lanemasters balls I have bought.None of them were ever clear. They were always a slightly runny white fluid/liquid. Lanemasters could have changed the formula somewhat. You should shake the bottle up fairly thoroughly before every use, in any case.

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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2009, 08:31:47 AM »
Dizzy,

I've found a similar kind of finish achievable by using an abralon pad with polish on it. For your needs, something like a used 2000 pad (say 2-3 balls worth of use) with a 1 Euro sized spot of polish on it per half of the ball. I then rub it on the ball a little before spraying with a little water and starting the spinner. Spray a little more water to prevent overheating and repeat for as many halves of the ball as you're doing (I often only do 4 to save time). Also, just to note, I use Lanemasters/Legends polish for this.

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dizzyfugu

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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 08:48:11 AM »
Hello all, thank you for the feedback, guys!

Normally, I just do 4 sides of a ball: turn 1 & 2 at 90° from the initial track, turn 3 & 4 with the track, for both sanding and polishing.

I also put some polish on the ball's surface and dsitribute it before I start the spinner, just like you suggest, Jeff. With a normal dose, this is not a problem, I am just worried about the results of limited material. But I will probably try a mix of some LM polish with water, soak a cotton cloth and apply it on the re-touched Pure Hammer, since I fear that the abrasive Brunswick polish and even more the Trizact stuff will alter the surface too much.

The used Abralon pad is also a good idea, I have some old 2.000 and 4.000 in store (you never know...), but I guess I will try the LM/water trick with a cloth first, because it will be easier for me to judge the change in reaction. Hopefully I have the ball ready for training tomorrow.

Again - many thanks for your support!
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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2009, 11:07:12 AM »
If you're trying to just get a very light polish, why not apply it by hand first?  Take it to the lanes and see if you like the reaction, if not then apply it with the spinner.  --  JohnP

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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2009, 11:12:28 PM »
Compared to a Matte finish, yes, I got slightly more length.  I think it was at 4000 abralon before that though, and it seems very similar.

Jeff, the way you described it sounds more like what the polish looked like.  I just couldn't say it was a solid white.  Runny and more liquid sounds right to me.
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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2009, 09:28:00 AM »
Back from training, and I just wanted to give some feedback (with pictures).

First of all, here's the Pure Hammer after a bucket bath, originally 1.500 sheen and a bit tracked out after use:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2750/4018678939_d0509a21be_b.jpg

Next step was a 4-sided refreshment of the 1.500 grit base surface. On the picture, you can see how the light gets broken differently through the sanding lines:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2768/4018678943_46d7f64829_b.jpg

Then, for the polish, I took a pan, shot a splotch of Lanemasters polish into it and added the same amount of water. Mixed well. Then I took a cotton cloth, soaked it, and applied it on the spinner. First attempt was just a careful and slow turn - with no visibel effect. Then I used maximum speed for a quick (about 10 sec.) spin, and that left considerable shine. Did it from 4 sides, and the result is this here - shiny, but the sanding lines are still recognizable (again you can tell the difference by the way the light gets reflected differently):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2496/4018678945_3e8fe9ff32_b.jpg

On the lane, I think I just got what I had hoped for. The Pure Hammer's surface feels slick now. Trying it out, it had a sharper breakpoint and more back end, compared to the original 1.500 grit surface. It even sailed occasionally beyond the break point, but that was rather user error (tossed too far to the right).
I think that it is a good solution for now. It "works". Definitively better suited for burnt heads now and much more "away" from its next stronger companion in my arsenal, my Revolution Renegade.
On the other side, it is still much stronger off the breakpoint than my OOB SBG, which is more arcing and slides even better on light oil.

Mission accomplished!

Again, thank you very much, guys, for your input - really helpful. Your expertise and support is highly appreciated
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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2009, 09:48:51 AM »
IDK,cover prep like this is like trying to split hairs.you have to be very precise and the final finish will not last very long and hard to repeat. I like going with a coarse sanded finish like 400-800 grit and compound or 1500 like with what you started with and top it off with a worn 4000 pad on high speed and water. for me any kind of polish = length and snap.
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Re: Putting an even light polish on a ball?
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2009, 04:13:47 AM »
Six Pack, I am with you on that - not sure how long this will last. At the moment it is just a try. In the first place, the reaction result is O.K., so I am happy for the moment.

But I totally agree that such a semi-finish is an unstable thing and hard to reproduce. I might be lucky because it was easier than I thought, but a "stable" full-force finish like a wet sanded or polished surface is surely easier to achieve and reporduce.

We'll see
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