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da Shiv

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Has Hook-It been changed?
« on: September 27, 2004, 11:14:29 AM »
I just opened a quart bottle of Hook-It that I bought months ago and didn't need until now.  In my long experience with Hook-It, I've gotten well acquainted with its clear reddish color and distinctive scent.  This stuff has a clear YELLOWISH color and smells completely different.  I'm a little leery of using it.  Is this some new version of Hook-It that I'm unaware of since I keep so much of it on hand that I've been using old stuff for months?  Does anyone know?

I thought I had an email address for Neotac, but I can't find it.  The "contact us" portion of their site says that it's under construction, so I don't know how to contact them directly.  

Any info would be appreciated.

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bowler257628

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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2004, 08:09:34 PM »
Where did you get it from? If a friend then I wouldnt use it. if an online shop, maybe.
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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2004, 10:12:02 PM »
Shiv, Re New-IT is a yellow color, and looks a little milky, Hook-IT is a clear red color, it sounds like RE New-IT in a Hook-IT bottle maybe.

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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 12:33:12 AM »
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I thought I had an email address for Neotac, but I can't find it. The "contact us" portion of their site says that it's under construction, so I don't know how to contact them directly.

 


Shiv, I can't help you, but just wanted to comment that the "site under construction" part has been there for months. For what ever reason, there is no E mail address or any information to use to contact them.
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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2004, 12:51:52 AM »
I swear my hook it was yellow a few years ago.

Boy did it work on my sweet sledgehammer!

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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2004, 01:32:24 AM »
OK all, I just now went to the garage and checked my Hook-It and Renew-It for color. I bought them approx. 4 months ago from Wild Octopus. They are small bottles. (not quarts) Here are the colors

Hook-It....Red (more of an amber actually)

Renew-It...Yellow

Shiv, it appears your yellow color may be Renew-It. I know when used, the Renew-It puts more shine on a ball than the Hook-It.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2004, 01:40:23 AM »
Their website shows a toll free number -- 1-800-355-5306

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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2004, 07:19:25 AM »
Thanks for all the info.  I'll try that toll-free number.

I got the Hook-It from my usual source for Neotac and all polishes--www.blockbusterbowling.com.  I've never had a problem before.

I use Renew-It regularly as well, so I'm familiar with it's look and smell, and this stuff looks and smells nothing like Renew-It or Hook-It.  The usual smell of Hook-It is sweet and almost fruity, and Renew-It smells kind of citrusy.  This Hook-It I just opened is clear yellow, not milky yellow like Renew-It.  The smell is bitter and acidic, and I hate to say it but it not only looks a bit like urine, but it smells a bit like it too.

My immediate use for the Hook-It when I opened it was to make another 6 ounce batch of my 50-50 mixture of Hook-It and Renew-It, a concoction I've used for years with no problem.  I put 3 oz. of each in a measuring cup and pour the combination into one of the usual 6 oz. size Neotac bottles.  This time, when I did that the mixture felt to me like it heated up.  This stuff is clearly not Hook-It and might even be dangerous.  I poured out the mixture.

I'll contact Neotac and maybe Blockbuster (bought it so long ago, it's probably hopeless) and see if I can get it replaced.  If not, I guess I'll just have to write it off as a loss and buy more--which I'll check immediately for color and smell--needless to say.

Shiv
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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2004, 10:28:51 AM »
Shiv, please let me (us) know what you find out as I am a Hook-It user also and just a wee bit of Renew-It user.

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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2004, 12:30:43 PM »
I just had a long conversation with Frank at Neotac.  My description of the Hook-It that I just opened sounded completely mysterious to him.  He asked me to send it to him so he can check it out.  He said he'd send me a replacement bottle, and a few bottles of some other products as well to offset the cost of the shipping.  He said he'd send some of the Khameleon cleaner--another product I've come to like quite a bit (it's the only thing I've found that cleans my Granite Gargoyle)--and also a few new products that they've developed that aren't on the market yet.  He said I'd be one of the first to try them out and give them some feedback.

In other interesting news, he said the new products they've developed are all-natural and contain no chemicals.  Included in this all-natural line is a shoe deodorizer.  I don't know which products he'll send me.  He said that up until about 6-7 months ago, some of their products were made for them by another company.  Since then, they have developed the capacity to make all of their own products, and there should no longer be any of the quality control issues that resulted in whatever I got in my Hook-It bottle.

He was very helpful, and when I asked him if he'd object to my mentioning the conversation in this forum, he said it would be no problem.

I should be able to get that bottle sent out UPS late tomorrow.  Whenever I have any follow-up information about this issue or any of the new products, I'll post it here in the Coverstock Prep forum.

Thanks to everyone for the help.

Shiv
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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2004, 01:46:06 PM »
If they are new and not out to the public yet, how would you be able to use them in league competition if they arnt approved? Im not sure if they are or arnt, just askin..
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da Shiv

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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2004, 03:39:35 PM »
That's a good question.  I'll ask in the note that I send along with the mystery Hook-It.

Shiv
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da Shiv

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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2004, 11:42:24 PM »
Well, here's the upshot to this story.  I got a box from Neotac yesterday.  It included no note or commentary.  Frank sent me a replacement quart of Hook-It, and an assortment of small bottles.  These included a 6 oz. bottle of both Khameleon Particle Sand High Tech Ball Restorer, and Renew-It.  These are two products that I use extensively.  There were also three 4 oz. bottles of products that I haven't seen before.  One is "Natural Ball Cleaner & Polish", which says that it is "Made from 100% Natural Ingredients - Environmentally Friendly - Contains No Petroleum Based Products, Synthetic Fragrances, Chlorine, Ammonia, or Dyes."  Another is "Spray On - Wipe Off Ball Cleaner", which doesn't say much except that it is "Acceptable for use during ABC/WIBC Sanctioned League Events."  The last bottle is the most mysterious.  It has a hand printed sticker on it that says "All Natural Sand" written in ball point pen.  It has a high viscosity sound to it when shaken, similar to the Khameleon product.

I haven't used any of this stuff yet.  The new quart of Hook-It is still somewhat mysterious to me.  It has the signature reddish color of Hook-It, and the same clearness and viscosity, but almost no smell.  The bad bottle that started all this was the wrong color and had a bitter, acrid smell.  Maybe this replacement bottle just lacks the fragrance additive.  I'll try it out on a ball that has been retired and see if it goes on the same as Hook-It and acts the same in all aspects of application, and leaves the ball with the familiar tacky feel.

I appreciate Neotac's quick and generous response to this issue.  I'd just be a little more comfortable if my replacement Hook-It had the familiar smell.

Shiv
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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2004, 10:07:11 AM »
I bought a small bottle a while back and it was the yellowish color & diff smell also. It seemed to still work so I used it, but I didnt think it was as good as it was before it was similar but diff. some how.
Now I bought a new bottle recently and its back to the old red color and it works good,like it always did.
I wonder if they put the wrong cleaner in the bottle or if its like new coke versus classic coke. I want the classic version.

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Re: Has Hook-It been changed?
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2004, 10:48:43 AM »
Shiv,

The Hook-It I have now, in the bowling pin bottle (6 oz.), is yellowish, and much more viscous than the "old" pink, runny stuff.  With the old stuff, if you poured it on top of a ball, it immediately ran down the side, like water.  The new stuff just sorta sits there for a second or two; it's a much thicker liquid.

I don't recall when or where I bought it, though.  I hardly ever use Hook-It anymore, as Liquid Sandpaper + Renew-It gives me the results I want.
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