Author Topic: Hook Juice Home Edition $50!!!!! Seems abit pricey (Read 23684 times)

Aloarjr810 · « **on:** November 29, 2017, 09:34:13 AM »

Has anybody ponied up $50 and tried Hook Juice Home Edition yet

https://ctdbowling.com/products/hook-juice-home-edition?variant=1042845401115

$50 for one treatment and you do it every 50 games. That bucket you mix up better do a bunch of balls.

amazon · « **Reply #76 on:** December 06, 2017, 03:02:23 PM »

ps...To the person that said you could be a better CEO.....I guess you think youre the best at everything. "some of us make 100k a year".... you think thats good money? You are the type that THINKS you are great but youre probably not that great at anything. Just a keyboard loud mouth, nothing more.
NOW I'm not putting down a 100 grand...but dont come on here and say 'some of us make 100k"...1 thats not a lot and 2 nobody cares, But again you try to show off like you are some big shot and you are not. Give your fingers a rest little boy.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #77 on:** December 06, 2017, 03:09:27 PM »

Quote from: amazon on December 06, 2017, 02:56:02 PM

When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.

At least it will be LEGAL to use.

Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.

LookingForALeftyWall · « **Reply #78 on:** December 06, 2017, 03:27:20 PM »

Quote from: Juggernaut on December 06, 2017, 03:09:27 PM

Quote from: amazon on December 06, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.

At least it will be LEGAL to use.

Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.

I am not for or against Hook Juice - however, show me where in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual where it says you cannot chemically alter a ball at all? The manual specifically states the following in regards to chemicals:

The use of chemicals, or other methods, to change the hardness of the surface of the ball after it is manufactured is prohibited.

All that says to me is do not use chemicals to change hardness, it does not say do not use chemicals. Cleaners are chemicals. The only ones they ban during competition are the ones that change hardness. I am assuming that Hook Juice is not changing the surface hardness via chemicals (like acetone). The question really is then, if it's not changing surface hardness and if it's not snake oil, what is it doing and should it be legal?

spmcgivern · « **Reply #79 on:** December 06, 2017, 03:36:39 PM »

Quote from: LookingForALeftyWall on December 06, 2017, 03:27:20 PM

Quote from: Juggernaut on December 06, 2017, 03:09:27 PM
Quote from: amazon on December 06, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.

At least it will be LEGAL to use.

Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.

I am not for or against Hook Juice - however, show me where in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual where it says you cannot chemically alter a ball at all? The manual specifically states the following in regards to chemicals:

The use of chemicals, or other methods, to change the hardness of the surface of the ball after it is manufactured is prohibited.

All that says to me is do not use chemicals to change hardness, it does not say do not use chemicals. Cleaners are chemicals. The only ones they ban during competition are the ones that change hardness. I am assuming that Hook Juice is not changing the surface hardness via chemicals (like acetone). The question really is then, if it's not changing surface hardness and if it's not snake oil, what is it doing and should it be legal?

Fact of the matter is this... regardless of what Hook Juice does to the coverstock, it is not approved for use at any time by USBC. Based on this, the back forth is useless.

I am sure there are many chemicals that can change the performance of the ball, but they aren't allowed. Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules.

LookingForALeftyWall · « **Reply #80 on:** December 06, 2017, 03:52:26 PM »

Quote from: spmcgivern on December 06, 2017, 03:36:39 PM

Quote from: LookingForALeftyWall on December 06, 2017, 03:27:20 PM
Quote from: Juggernaut on December 06, 2017, 03:09:27 PM
Quote from: amazon on December 06, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.

At least it will be LEGAL to use.

Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.

I am not for or against Hook Juice - however, show me where in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual where it says you cannot chemically alter a ball at all? The manual specifically states the following in regards to chemicals:

The use of chemicals, or other methods, to change the hardness of the surface of the ball after it is manufactured is prohibited.

All that says to me is do not use chemicals to change hardness, it does not say do not use chemicals. Cleaners are chemicals. The only ones they ban during competition are the ones that change hardness. I am assuming that Hook Juice is not changing the surface hardness via chemicals (like acetone). The question really is then, if it's not changing surface hardness and if it's not snake oil, what is it doing and should it be legal?

Fact of the matter is this... regardless of what Hook Juice does to the coverstock, it is not approved for use at any time by USBC. Based on this, the back forth is useless.

I am sure there are many chemicals that can change the performance of the ball, but they aren't allowed. Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules.

Was the "Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules" pointed at me? I never stated I use any chemicals nor am I advocating for Hook Juice or any other surface changing chemicals. Call me a cheat again and see what happens...

However, you bring up a good point - Hook Juice is not on the USBC approved to use cleaner/polish list. But is it a ball cleaner or a polish? Is it neither? The USBC only regulates cleaners and polishes and puts those into approved and non-approved lists...

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #81 on:** December 06, 2017, 04:03:42 PM »

Note the USBC approved products list on bowl.com is a year old thats why you can't find it on it. :

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Approved_cleaner_polish.pdf

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #82 on:** December 06, 2017, 04:06:36 PM »

Heres something of interest read the instructions

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1730085907063530&set=pcb.1730086513730136&type=3&theater

It says don't put balls with sharp edges or cracks in it.

Also it can discolor the logos.

spmcgivern · « **Reply #83 on:** December 06, 2017, 04:25:54 PM »

Quote from: Aloarjr810 on December 06, 2017, 04:03:42 PM

Note the USBC approved products list on bowl.com is a year old thats why you can't find it on it. :

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/Approved_cleaner_polish.pdf

Quote from: RonaldHickland on December 04, 2017, 09:22:44 AM

I really appreciate the comments and wanted to help clarify a few things. Hook Juice is legal as it doesn't soften the ball. This product has been in use by consumers for more than a year...

According to Hickland, it has been used for over a year.

amazon · « **Reply #84 on:** December 06, 2017, 04:31:09 PM »

All this talk about cheats....Im sure some of you have used acetone at one time or another or denatured alcohol or some other non approved product. I bet some even have balls that are drilled illegally. Get an updated list of approved products by the

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #85 on:** December 06, 2017, 04:43:42 PM »

Quote from: amazon on December 06, 2017, 04:31:09 PM

All this talk about cheats....Im sure some of you have used acetone at one time or another or denatured alcohol or some other non approved product. I bet some even have balls that are drilled illegally. Get an updated list of approved products by the

You might want to check that list yourself, denatured alcohol is approved for anytime use.

HackJandy · « **Reply #86 on:** December 06, 2017, 05:03:48 PM »

Quote from: Aloarjr810 on December 06, 2017, 04:43:42 PM

Quote from: amazon on December 06, 2017, 04:31:09 PM
All this talk about cheats....Im sure some of you have used acetone at one time or another or denatured alcohol or some other non approved product. I bet some even have balls that are drilled illegally. Get an updated list of approved products by the

You might want to check that list yourself, denatured alcohol is approved for anytime use.

Always wondered if that included alcohol denatured with MEK which I guess some is. That is why I only use IPA plus its better for dissolving oil without leaving residue.

spmcgivern · « **Reply #87 on:** December 06, 2017, 05:15:07 PM »

Quote from: LookingForALeftyWall on December 06, 2017, 03:52:26 PM

Quote from: spmcgivern on December 06, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: LookingForALeftyWall on December 06, 2017, 03:27:20 PM
Quote from: Juggernaut on December 06, 2017, 03:09:27 PM
Quote from: amazon on December 06, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
When your ball stops hooking just go out and buy another ball...Thats just like your old ball and the one before that...10 year old cover on a "new" core...lol DONT SPEND THE 50 bucks on hook juice...go buy another new ball, problem solved.

At least it will be LEGAL to use.

Unlike your hook juice soaked, chemically altered, ball.

I am not for or against Hook Juice - however, show me where in the USBC Equipment Specifications and Certifications Manual where it says you cannot chemically alter a ball at all? The manual specifically states the following in regards to chemicals:

The use of chemicals, or other methods, to change the hardness of the surface of the ball after it is manufactured is prohibited.

All that says to me is do not use chemicals to change hardness, it does not say do not use chemicals. Cleaners are chemicals. The only ones they ban during competition are the ones that change hardness. I am assuming that Hook Juice is not changing the surface hardness via chemicals (like acetone). The question really is then, if it's not changing surface hardness and if it's not snake oil, what is it doing and should it be legal?

Fact of the matter is this... regardless of what Hook Juice does to the coverstock, it is not approved for use at any time by USBC. Based on this, the back forth is useless.

I am sure there are many chemicals that can change the performance of the ball, but they aren't allowed. Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules.

Was the "Stating you use such chemicals says you are either a cheat or ignorant to the rules" pointed at me? I never stated I use any chemicals nor am I advocating for Hook Juice or any other surface changing chemicals. Call me a cheat again and see what happens...

However, you bring up a good point - Hook Juice is not on the USBC approved to use cleaner/polish list. But is it a ball cleaner or a polish? Is it neither? The USBC only regulates cleaners and polishes and puts those into approved and non-approved lists...

Sorry, was not directed at you. Just a general statement.

tkkshop · « **Reply #88 on:** December 06, 2017, 05:29:21 PM »

Quote from: amazon on December 06, 2017, 04:31:09 PM

All this talk about cheats....Im sure some of you have used acetone at one time or another or denatured alcohol or some other non approved product. I bet some even have balls that are drilled illegally. Get an updated list of approved products by the

not for or against, but I agree with the acetone statement. Many have or still use

Juggernaut · « **Reply #89 on:** December 06, 2017, 09:00:56 PM »

WE ALL KNOW ACETONE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED. I AM NEITHER SHOOTING DOWN, OR ADVOCATING ITS USE.

What I am saying is that nobody is trying to sell me acetone and telling me it is fine to use it on my bowling ball when they know it isnâ€™t legal to use.

Mr. Hickland IS trying to sell this stuff, and telling everyone it is fine, it is great, come get you some right now cause you need it.

Let him produce USBC certification that it is, in fact, legal to use, and I will get off of him and his hook juice, and get on USBCâ€™s ass for certifying a product that chemically alters a balls composition from it initial configuration.

giddyupddp · « **Reply #90 on:** December 06, 2017, 09:07:35 PM »

Hey Amazon the CEO, we know its you Ron....

Unless you prove this is a USBC approved product no one should consider it regardless if it's $50 or $5.

Provide that list with your product on it and then if people want to waste their $50 at least they would know its USBC approved.

But C'mon Man it's HOOK JUICE

Lets All say it again HOOK JUICE

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