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xrayjay

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Hybrids covers
« on: February 04, 2015, 11:06:27 AM »
Are all hybrids 50/50 mix of pearl and solid? I really don't know much about hybrids and why the Hyroad is so damn good and others not so much.

Also, I know some bowlers who don't like using hybrid covers - too over under for them. is this true for you?

Finally, I"ve owned different hybrid covered balls and the only one I really like and used a lot was the hyroad. The rest I sold rather quickly....
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2015, 08:26:40 PM »
It's pompous ass...thank you

After google-ing pompas I am done for the night. I can not stop laughing.....kinda of like when I hear someone say I really hope they release a hybrid next in this ball.
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2015, 09:49:47 PM »
Are all hybrids 50/50 mix of pearl and solid? I really don't know much about hybrids and why the Hyroad is so damn good and others not so much.

Also, I know some bowlers who don't like using hybrid covers - too over under for them. is this true for you?

Finally, I"ve owned different hybrid covered balls and the only one I really like and used a lot was the hyroad. The rest I sold rather quickly....

I've heard of some being 70% pearl/30% solid, and others being more solid than pearl.   There's also solid hybrids (2 or more solid covers mixed), pearl hybrids (2 or more pearl covers mixed), hybrid urethane and hybrid urethane/reactive covers.  It just depends on the specific ball. 

Having used a Hy-Road for a while, I think it was and still is a good combo of core and cover.  When I had mine, it provided a good benchmark reaction that I could use to determine if I should ball up, ball down, or stay with it.  Ultimately I replaced it with a Sigma Sting back in summer 2014 and it has worked out very well.  It's close overall to the Hy-Road benchmark reaction except a little cleaner up front, still reads the mids well and has a little more angle on the back. 

I've had success with hybrids such as the Rogue Cell, Hy-Road and Frantic.  I'll still use the Rogue Cell and Frantic when the conditions call for them.  In my league last year, both were typically in the bag and the Frantic was great when the lanes started to burn up.  The Rogue Cell was the strongest ball I needed and it worked well on the fresh while allowing me to move left as needed.

The Infinite Theory was a good hybrid when I could actually use it.  That ball turned out to be too condition specific for my game.  I could easily use something else in the arsenal the vast majority of the time and ended up deciding to sell it. 

Ultimately, it all depends on the bowler, surface and conditions.  If you have the wrong ball/surface on the wrong pattern, you will get over/under.  However, if you have the right ball/surface on the right pattern, you'll be scoring lights out.  That's regardless if you're using a ball with a solid, pearl or hybrid cover.
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2015, 10:06:36 PM »
The below quote was written in reference to the new guru. Pay attention to what is written and this conversation posted by the OP.

"here is a little skinny for you guys regarding the cover and core combo. first off the core is the same as the original Guru, identical numbers, shape and density. secondly the cover is the same base resin formula. So how does it perform so differently you may ask.
We dye our resins we do not use pigment so there is no impact of color on the performance of our shells. We do use additives to get the desired length and shape regarding ball motion.
When you look at the ball it will have a solid blue and a pearl "looking" green color combo. In reality they are both the same resin, its esthetic only. We used an additive combination to create the exact motion. If we desired we could make a solid black ball roll exactly like a skid flip pearl. This is the newest technology in the market. that is why the Guru does what it does and why the new Guru can actually offer a totally new performance, it is a great ball and I guarantee you will all be pleasantly surprised."
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2015, 10:26:52 PM »
The rogue cell, sinister, and crux are 2/3 one, 1/3 the other.
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2015, 10:38:17 PM »
The below quote was written in reference to the new guru. Pay attention to what is written and this conversation posted by the OP.

"here is a little skinny for you guys regarding the cover and core combo. first off the core is the same as the original Guru, identical numbers, shape and density. secondly the cover is the same base resin formula. So how does it perform so differently you may ask.
We dye our resins we do not use pigment so there is no impact of color on the performance of our shells. We do use additives to get the desired length and shape regarding ball motion.
When you look at the ball it will have a solid blue and a pearl "looking" green color combo. In reality they are both the same resin, its esthetic only. We used an additive combination to create the exact motion. If we desired we could make a solid black ball roll exactly like a skid flip pearl. This is the newest technology in the market. that is why the Guru does what it does and why the new Guru can actually offer a totally new performance, it is a great ball and I guarantee you will all be pleasantly surprised."

Let me guess, this isn't "marketing". Or, do you have to wait for JustRico to give his opinion so you can regurgitate it?
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2015, 10:51:49 PM »
The below quote was written in reference to the new guru. Pay attention to what is written and this conversation posted by the OP.

"here is a little skinny for you guys regarding the cover and core combo. first off the core is the same as the original Guru, identical numbers, shape and density. secondly the cover is the same base resin formula. So how does it perform so differently you may ask.
We dye our resins we do not use pigment so there is no impact of color on the performance of our shells. We do use additives to get the desired length and shape regarding ball motion.
When you look at the ball it will have a solid blue and a pearl "looking" green color combo. In reality they are both the same resin, its esthetic only. We used an additive combination to create the exact motion. If we desired we could make a solid black ball roll exactly like a skid flip pearl. This is the newest technology in the market. that is why the Guru does what it does and why the new Guru can actually offer a totally new performance, it is a great ball and I guarantee you will all be pleasantly surprised."

I think this thing that Phils post somehow is saying and confirms that "pearlizing" is merely for aesthetics, isn't what he said.

His post was talking about the Guru and the Guru Mighty and someone asked if it was a pearl.

And as I read it, All he said was that they both used the same BASE RESIN, but the Mighty used a New type of additive to that base resin to give it the motion that they wanted it to have.

And that the colors they used "solid blue with a pearl "looking" green color" were just for aesthetics.

I don't see how any of that is saying that all pearlizing is nothing more then atheistic.

Just that they used a pearl looking color in that ball for esthetic reasons.

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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2015, 10:54:33 PM »
Northface28 thanks for bringing nothing as usual. I guess you can't read what is written well enough to apply it to the conversation. Sorry I don't have illustrations to help
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2015, 10:57:36 PM »
Northface28 thanks for bringing nothing as usual. I guess you can't read what is written well enough to apply it to the conversation. Sorry I don't have illustrations to help

Umm, yeah.
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2015, 10:58:54 PM »
AJ810 I think, personally, that is the case. It's not new technology to make a solid react like a pearl ect. It's continueing the cycle and securing sales.
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2015, 11:00:52 PM »
AJ810 I think, personally, that is the case. It's not new technology to make a solid react like a pearl ect. It's continueing the cycle and securing sales.

Continueing? Or continuing? For such a know-it-all, your spelling is atrocious.
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2015, 11:04:23 PM »
New phone spell correct. Its awesome. I can't spell and it changes some words without me selecting it. It doesn't bother me
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2015, 11:44:13 PM »
Radical markets new tech and the South of the border fans think it's awesome. Meanwhile, the rest of us sit back and chuckle. There is such a thing as Hybrid. But I don't expect everyone to agree on such a simple concept, when 1 doesn't believe in pearl coverstocks.

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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2015, 12:43:17 AM »
Radical markets new tech and the South of the border fans think it's awesome. Meanwhile, the rest of us sit back and chuckle. There is such a thing as Hybrid. But I don't expect everyone to agree on such a simple concept, when 1 doesn't believe in pearl coverstocks.

It dont matter what they 'market' if it dont 'sell.' The only thing they dominate is the clearance section of these e-tailers.  Were still seeing loaded revolvers for Christ sake!!! $75 ruckuses..need I say more?  Utah product is the opposite...something gets discontinued and its hoard city!...I could care less about the 'new tech'...the 'new additive this, new additive that' that's for suckers...
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2015, 07:55:38 AM »
Since I have a computer I will try and break this down further and add some high lights. Take the words "new technology" out of the equation and think about what is said and how that applies to companies across the board since resin balls were being made. Even urethane for that matter.

We dye our resins we do not use pigment so there is no impact of color on the performance of our shells. We do use additives to get the desired length and shape regarding ball motion.

When you look at the ball it will have a solid blue and a pearl "looking" green color combo.

In reality they are both the same resin, its esthetic only. We used an additive combination to create the exact motion.

If we desired we could make a solid black ball roll exactly like a skid flip pearl.

Do you honestly think other manufactures do not have the same ability? My point is I really believe this tells you that looks pearl, solid or hybrid do not matter it is ball surface and the actual additives that determine ball length ect. But because people have been boxed in to the idea of pearls, solids, and hybrids you get the same questions and beliefs that pearls have to be polished, and not be sanded.....can I polish this ball X because it is a solid.....or what is a hybrid.

I am glad yall look at it as someone pushing Brunswick stuff or start trying to take a jab at other manufactures when in reality I'm trying to tell you something honestly looks like bull$hit and it has been posted by someone who works in the business and designs bowling balls. It isn't one manufacture but all of them that have been doing this.
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Re: Hybrids covers
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2015, 08:02:35 AM »
The original Bounty was a dull hybrid. The original Mission was a dull pearl. You can shine or dull anything. If Phil said his bowling balls were made with Nutella, am I to believe him? You make it seem as if all companies are lying. Maybe they are, but why shouldn't we believe them? Phil's post in the Mighty means nothing to me. Heck, it could be the original Guru with a color change and surface set at 4k. Who really knows.