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Pat Patterson

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Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« on: June 18, 2006, 02:52:10 AM »
Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?  I have recently placed an order for the various grades of Abralon, hoping it will eliminate the cheese grater affect that even Scoth-Brite has a tendency to leave behide.
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J_Mac

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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2006, 11:55:37 AM »
Here is Storm's take on the difference between sandpaper, abralon, and scotchbrite...

 
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We've noticed, in our testing, that Abralon doesn't open up the particles as much as Scotch Brite pads. The Abralon pads did work better than straight sandpaper, something that we don't ever suggest using on our particle bowling balls. With the same ball using 500 grit Abralon and then a green Scotch Brite pads, we observed the Scotch Brite getting  5 more boards total hook and about a foot and half earlier. So if the Scotch Brite pad is too much, you could switch to a Abralon Pad to smooth it out.

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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2006, 12:42:28 PM »
J-Mac,

Do you know or did Storm exlain what they mean by the expression:
"open up the particles"?

I do not understand its meaning or its implications.

Does "particles" mean particle balls in general or does it mean the pieces of the particles in the resin coverstock?

What do they mean by "opening up" the particles?
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J_Mac

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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2006, 01:32:03 PM »
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J-Mac,

Do you know or did Storm exlain what they mean by the expression:
"open up the particles"?

I do not understand its meaning or its implications.

Does "particles" mean particle balls in general or does it mean the pieces of the particles in the resin coverstock?

What do they mean by "opening up" the particles?
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They didn't really explain that well did they?

I'm sure they are trying to describe how scotchbrite digs in deeper than abralon.  Perhaps they're using a particle that is more resistant to abrasion than the coverstock.  Abralon being a smoother abrasive than scotchbrite would result in less difference between the top of the particle and the surface of the resin it is in.

That's just how I interpreted their explanation though.
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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2006, 01:36:40 PM »
What they mean is removal of the resin around the particles. Storm and Roto Grip are utilizing low loads for thier particle balls now 1%, and to my knowledge the particle is a rubber type compound so sand paper will remove the particle along with the resin thus loosing the particles effect.
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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2006, 04:10:56 PM »
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What they mean is removal of the resin around the particles. Storm and Roto Grip are utilizing low loads for thier particle balls now 1%, and to my knowledge the particle is a rubber type compound so sand paper will remove the particle along with the resin thus loosing the particles effect.
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That doesn't make sense to me. No abrasive will just remove the particles and leave the resin. A 1% particle load means that 1% of the volume of the coverstock is particles; they're embedded in there with the resin molecules. The particles are not just a top layer on the coverstock; they're through and thorugh the entire material.

Unless the Scotch-Brite abrasive is a larger grit than the Abralon, but then the grit level is not the same. I don't understand how the SB can "open up" the particles (whether that means the ball, the ball's coverstock or the actual particles, I also do not know).

I remain confused.
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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2006, 04:26:19 PM »
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What they mean is removal of the resin around the particles. Storm and Roto Grip are utilizing low loads for thier particle balls now 1%, and to my knowledge the particle is a rubber type compound so sand paper will remove the particle along with the resin thus loosing the particles effect.
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That doesn't make sense to me. No abrasive will just remove the particles and leave the resin. A 1% particle load means that 1% of the volume of the coverstock is particles; they're embedded in there with the resin molecules. The particles are not just a top layer on the coverstock; they're through and thorugh the entire material.

Unless the Scotch-Brite abrasive is a larger grit than the Abralon, but then the grit level is not the same. I don't understand how the SB can "open up" the particles (whether that means the ball, the ball's coverstock or the actual particles, I also do not know).

I remain confused.


Same grit... different texture...

Even with the grit being equal scotchbrite has fibers that can dig deeper into the coverstock than Abralon.  Abralon uses a cloth material as a backer for the abrasive, so it can't dig as deep.  Sandpaper is just a jumble of grit and can't dig any deeper than the grit is wide. (assuming that the piece of grit is uniform in all 3 dimensions)


SB
 /\  /\  /\  /\  /\  /\  /\  /
/  \/  \/  \/  \/  \/  \/  \/  
Abralon
 _   _   _   _   _   _
/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ 
Sandpaper
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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2006, 06:47:27 PM »
Makes a certain amount of sense.

I still tend to use SB on particle balls that are supposed to be softer (Storm, Track, Columbia). Odd as some SB pads, depending on the grit, actually use the same abrasive, silicon carbide, as wet/dry sandpaper and as Abralon.

FYI another well-respected driller/pro shop person here has said that Abralon seems to provide a smoother finish than the equivalent wet/dry sandpaper. That might be that foam backing playing an important role. I haven't seen that myself and I am always cautious about pressing too hard or for too long on/with any abrasive for fear I may be taking that abrasive to a lower or finer level, resulting in too smooth a surface on my bowling balls.

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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2006, 06:52:05 PM »
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Makes a certain amount of sense.


Good... the ASCII "illustration" doesn't do the differences justice.  Looking at the abrasives under a microscope would likely be much more eye opening.
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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2006, 06:38:24 AM »
good reading,..personally I'll use Abralon first on the spinner to get the desired finish/surface I want, particle or resin. Then, if I want a little different reaction at the lanes, I always carry a 3 x 3 grey, and green pad just in case. A few light swirls during practice over the surface usually does the trick..je
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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2006, 06:55:01 AM »
Why doesn't someone EMAIL Storm about this for clarification of their opinion?
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Re: Is Abralon safe on Particle Equipment?
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2006, 07:06:19 AM »
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Why doesn't someone EMAIL Storm about this for clarification of their opinion?
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