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J_w73

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killing the cover on a ball.
« on: September 02, 2009, 01:08:32 AM »
I have a ball that I use for 10 pins and dry lanes.. It is still just a little too aggressive and snappy for 10 pins.. I have polished it to high h*ll and put delayed reaction on it.. Is there anything else I can throw on the cover to get it to not hook(other than WD40)...
Would the snake oil or UFO stuff do the job.. I don't know what is better or how they are different.
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dizzyfugu

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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 09:11:55 AM »
Best option is IMHO cdar polish with wax, on a fine grit base surface. Will not last as long as a bowling ball polish, but I had some success with it when I had curving issues with my polyester spare ball, before I learned to completely break back my wrist and deliver the ball with a very weak, forward movement. The car polish still helps, though.
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DanH78

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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 09:35:29 AM »
Wouldn't it be easier to just buy a plastic ball?  Then keep your dry lane ball the way it is.
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J_w73

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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 11:23:10 AM »
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Wouldn't it be easier to just buy a plastic ball?  Then keep your dry lane ball the way it is.
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Yes,  but I really like to have this ball option for dry dry and when nothing else is working..I like the 2 in 1 idea of the ball.. I don't really have room in my bag/s for another ball
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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 01:21:54 PM »
try some storms urethane polish...  its REALLY makes the ball skid!!  hope u have spinner to, ur gona need to burn it in good...  
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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2009, 02:10:37 PM »
jw,

I saw in another post that this ball is a urethane.
AS far as I know, Delayed Reaction reduces the hook and backend on RESIN balls because it reduces its ability to absorb oil. Urethanes do absorb oil but significantly slower than resin balls. The ratio used to be 20:1, but with today's oil sucking resins, that ratio may be even higher.

The SBG has a regular dynamic core and its hook is more closely related, I BELIEVE, to the fact that the flare exposes clean surfaces (without oil) to the lane surface. The oil should sit on the surface for a good long time, enabling you to easily wipe it away.

So, I believe that the only effect you get from using Delayed Reaction is that of polish - adding shine/gloss to the balls' cover. What you want may be better achieved by using an abrasive polish, like Storm's XTra Shine. It will add shine but will also smooth out the coverstock. You could also try to sand the SBG to 4000 grit Abralon and then add polish. (I did this recently to a friend's SBG. It is HARD work. That cover is hard.)

Good luck.
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J_w73

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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 02:29:44 PM »
yes.. its a slate blue gargoyle..

I'll look into the urethane polish.. I do have a spinner.
any idea what is different about the urethane polish vs a standard one??

charlest.. I have done the 4000 abralon and polish.. still too much hook.
maybe I just need to burn the polish in more

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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2009, 03:17:00 PM »
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charlest.. I have done the 4000 abralon and polish.. still too much hook.
maybe I just need to burn the polish in more

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I wasn't kidding when I said taking the urethane SBG to 4000 Abralon was a lot of work. YOu need fresh abrasive, start low, like 1000 Abralon and work your way up. If you just took a 4000 pad to the polished ball, it was probably not at 4000 Abralon. Also I did it 3 times. The time very meticulously. It would not get tacky once the polish was applied over the 4000 Abralon finish. No matter what I did. Urethane is very hard and stubborn compared to any resin coverstock.

I suspect that the urethane polish has a significant amount of abrasive in it. Unlike Resin, polished urethane hooks less than dull urethane and does not seem to save up energy for the backend. It has reduced hook and backend.

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J_w73

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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 04:46:28 PM »
I'll try it out and see if I see a difference.
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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 07:28:04 PM »
My Target Zone will hook at our lanes on 10 pins. I went all the way down to 4000 then some rubbing compound and then multiple coats of Control-it. That helps alot, but I have to reapply the Control-it every couple of weeks
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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2009, 07:48:33 PM »
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My Target Zone will hook at our lanes on 10 pins. I went all the way down to 4000 then some rubbing compound and then multiple coats of Control-it. That helps alot, but I have to reapply the Control-it every couple of weeks


What I said about Delayed Reaction above applies equally to Control-IT.
Both are meant for resin balls. On plastic and urethane you're just applying polish.

If you want less hook from plastic, either sand VERY, super-fine like 4000 Abralon followed by Trizact white pads and then non-abrasive polish or
drill it CG on PAP and do the same polish routine.

I did the above (Trizact white pad + non-abrasive polish) to my Blue Dot and it hooks a lot less.


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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2009, 08:15:37 PM »
Where do I find Trizac pads?
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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2009, 08:23:45 PM »
Trizact is a product used for glass resurfacing, you can look online or locally at a glass store. It's made by 3M

Internet will more in likely be cheaper.

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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2009, 08:38:48 PM »
Nu Finish will turn it into a marble.
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J_w73

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Re: killing the cover on a ball.
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2009, 03:46:19 PM »
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Nu Finish will turn it into a marble.
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I'll try it.. says it doesn't contain any waxes.. any idea if it has slip agents or something else in it??

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