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LaneHammer20

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Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« on: November 05, 2008, 11:17:23 PM »
I want to know more about these. They look interesting.


Kevin, do they have a foam backing or is it just a paper disc? Is the 4000 disc actually 4000 grit? Just curious

If these last like they say they will that would be a heck of a by then. Everything else they sell is awesome so this should be no different.
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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2008, 01:20:25 PM »
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With these discs, it is only necessary to sand 2 sides of the ball with medium pressure.  


Regarding scotts33 previous post, I'm curious about sanding only two sides. For standard procedure, I sand 6 sides to ensure equal coverage across the ball. So, are two sides really sufficient?


From my personal experience, yes.
6 sides is way over-doing, as near as I can tell. If I am being hyper-fussy for some reason, I do 4 sides.

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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2008, 02:10:24 PM »
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I was wondering that since you offer 3000 grit pads couldnt you use that plus snakeoil to achieve 1500 grit polished?



I know Kevin will offer his, but I'd also like to offer mine.

Theoretically, yes, 1/2 x P3000 = 1500 grit US. Add a dose of an "non-abrasive" polish and you have a polished 1500 grit ball,
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how many times have you seen people saying words to the effect, they "used the correct grit and they polished the ball and it does not act anything like it did when it was new?"

They either pressed too hard or for too long or did not use a freash abrasive (whatever they used) and/or they applied a ton of the polish for long time or used an abrasive polish or even a rubbing compound.

To help them many people suggest a rougher abrasive and a lighter coat of polish.

To start at EXACTLY 1500 grit and add polish might also NOT be exactly what they wanted BCEAUSE the reaction they remember is the one that was after 50 games, not the brand new one.

There are too many reason why, for the vast majority, this "precise" procedure might not be what they want or what they think they want.

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I know that the factory buffs the balls but if 1500 grit + polish is supposed to be very close to OOB then these discs would get you there better then anything else.



For someone like you, yes, this might be the correct process. For many people it might be. For everyone, no.


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I really like the idea of 1500 and 3000 grit pads. I always wondered why companies were satisfied with going a 1000 grit difference from 2000 (1000 us) to 4000 (2000 us) sure the difference in a matte surface may not be much but if you are trying to store energy with polish then the difference between 2000 and 4000 grit plus polish may be too much. I never was a fan of putting on a very light polish... but it sometimes was necessary.



I think that P3000 disc can be a big help for many people. Before their collapse, Columbia marketed 1 or 2 balls with a P3000 grit matte finish and a P3000 grit polish finish, I believe.
FWIW I also have P2500 grit sandpaper. I like that option, in-between Kevin's sanding discs, also. I also already have a set of Trizact P3000 pads, so I'll have to forego getting Kevin's until I finish those.


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AH HA! I knew you would chime in.

good then I am on the right track. and I do understand why you say it might work for some and not all... well we are human arent we? not everyone understands things the same and usually they have very different experiences from person to person.

I am simply trying to find a way to achieve 1500 grit polished by using a non abrasive polish. whether it reacts like it did OOB is another story. but having the option to return it to "OOB" (not OOB reaction , maybe - maybe not)

dont get me wrong using a light polish or even a form of knocking off the polish will always be a viable option. but as you always told me, what is the actual surface? its much better to know where EXACTLY your at... repeatable??? yea if your experienced... but IF possible I would like to get the reaction I desire everytime.


now if only I spent this much energy on MY bowling rather then surface id probably be a better bowler... LOL




as for "To start at EXACTLY 1500 grit and add polish might also NOT be exactly what they wanted BCEAUSE the reaction they remember is the one that was after 50 games, not the brand new one. "

I couldnt aggree more. too many times I too put polish on a ball only to watch it seem to skid too much. then only to realize later that when the ball started to track up it was perfect. sometimes patience is all thats needed

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charlest

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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2008, 02:27:05 PM »
So, forewarned is forearmed.
You know where you are and where you want to go. Take a few steps in one direction and test. (Wish I were closer to a bowling center. Sometimes I do too much testing in leagues.)
Take the next step to where you want to go and test again.
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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2008, 02:49:00 PM »
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(Wish I were closer to a bowling center. Sometimes I do too much testing in leagues.)
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haha I live close to a bowling alley but they are dirty and dry as could be so that wont work.

I too do most of my testing in league... not too smart
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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2008, 03:12:41 PM »
As far as sanding 6 sides, that is overkill, 2 sides of the ball is truly efficient for a surface change. If you really want to sand the ball six sides, then your looking at about 5 to 6 balls.

The pads do have a foam backing which distributes/evens the pressure but the discs are not fool proof, you can easily press too hard and cause the disc to wear faster. The 1500 grit pad I used for the Blue Tornado in the pictures had already done 8 balls and the pad could easily do about 10 more balls.

The pads are FEPA 'P' graded, so they can replace sandpaper and other popular sanding discs. an 800 grit pad duplicates 800 grit wet/dry sandpaper.

I will make another post answering your questions this weekend when I have some time.

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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2008, 03:22:59 PM »
I use to just sand 2 sides everytime, these days I do 6 sides and have thought it produced a more even finish. I don't know how comfortable I would be just doing 2 sides again, 4 sides wouldn't be bad. Or maybe doing 2 sides for one grit an opposite side for the next grit.

Although I don't mnow many that would do this but when you think about it, if someone that is just getting involved in doing his own surfaace changes at home with a spinner, just did 2 sides each time, being the same sides each time over time, the ball would turn oval, maybe not noticably oval, but oval, wouldn't it?

That last ^ real long sentence showed my awesome writing skills, I just don't feel like changing it. haha
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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2008, 04:28:21 PM »
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Although I don't mnow many that would do this but when you think about it, if someone that is just getting involved in doing his own surfaace changes at home with a spinner, just did 2 sides each time, being the same sides each time over time, the ball would turn oval, maybe not noticably oval, but oval, wouldn't it?


How about doing different sides each time (but only two sides).  First time top/bottom, second time left/right, third time front/back.


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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2008, 08:27:42 PM »
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I use to just sand 2 sides everytime, these days I do 6 sides and have thought it produced a more even finish. I don't know how comfortable I would be just doing 2 sides again, 4 sides wouldn't be bad. Or maybe doing 2 sides for one grit an opposite side for the next grit.

Although I don't mnow many that would do this but when you think about it, if someone that is just getting involved in doing his own surfaace changes at home with a spinner, just did 2 sides each time, being the same sides each time over time, the ball would turn oval, maybe not noticably oval, but oval, wouldn't it?

That last ^ real long sentence showed my awesome writing skills, I just don't feel like changing it. haha
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Ok, think more about the CAB and the FLEXIBLE sanding foam pad that Abralon and Valentino's are. Then think about the spinner, with the cup covering only the bottom 1/3 of the ball, if that much. Then ask the question again ... if you need to.
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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2008, 05:40:15 AM »
Back to my post.....my point being how long do the Valentino discs last vs. Mirka abralon?  ALL things being equal....if it's two sides or four sides etal.  Comparing apples to apples. Anyone know?
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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2008, 05:54:24 AM »
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Back to my post.....my point being how long do the Valentino discs last vs. Mirka abralon?  ALL things being equal....if it's two sides or four sides etal.  Comparing apples to apples. Anyone know?
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Since we just got the test samples, it may be a while before we can give you a personal estimation of an average. Then since things vary wildly from person to person, you'd have to take and average of everyone's average ....
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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2008, 06:05:45 AM »
You know where I am going Jeff.  Price runs the market for most.  
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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2008, 11:31:21 AM »
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You know where I am going Jeff.  Price runs the market for most.  
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Yeah, I know. I'm not sure anyone will have an answer this soon.
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Re: Valentino's Sanding Discs?
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2008, 03:23:24 PM »
The consensus from all of the testers who have reported back, is that the discs not only cut the balls surface better but they last longer then similar pads and sandpapers. We'll have to wait for some reports to flow in

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