Author Topic: Lane Shine question (Read 14449 times)

lilpossum1 · « **on:** November 08, 2014, 05:41:41 PM »

Idk if this is the right section, but can someone give me a detailed explanation of the term "lane shine?" I know the lanes wear polish off of polished balls, and give Sanded balls a more polished look. Is there a grit range that the balls settle at depending on the friction of a lane surface?

TDC57 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 10, 2014, 02:39:35 PM »

I'm with Good Times on this, Finesse It and Snake Oil are perfect for being able to put the amount of shine you desire.

dR3w · « **Reply #17 on:** November 10, 2014, 03:23:39 PM »

According to Jayhawk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMwsO2JCZxY

They smooth a lot more than that on synthetic lanes according to Jayhawk. With only 3 games both balls were already over 4900 in the track area.

charlest · « **Reply #18 on:** November 10, 2014, 03:48:54 PM »

Quote from: dR3w on November 10, 2014, 03:23:39 PM

According to Jayhawk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMwsO2JCZxY

They smooth a lot more than that on synthetic lanes according to Jayhawk. With only 3 games both balls were already over 4900 in the track area.

Despite one test, there are too many variables involved to give more than a range of potential surfaces: the ball's coverstock, the bowler's rev rate, the lane surface, the age of the lane surface are just a few of the variables.

dR3w · « **Reply #19 on:** November 10, 2014, 03:59:33 PM »

Quote from: charlest on November 10, 2014, 03:48:54 PM

Quote from: dR3w on November 10, 2014, 03:23:39 PM
According to Jayhawk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMwsO2JCZxY

They smooth a lot more than that on synthetic lanes according to Jayhawk. With only 3 games both balls were already over 4900 in the track area.

Despite one test, there are too many variables involved to give more than a range of potential surfaces: the ball's coverstock, the bowler's rev rate, the lane surface, the age of the lane surface are just a few of the variables.

I agree that all those things factor into the outcome, but still seems curious that both balls became very similar in roughness in the track after 3 games. If that thing works, I'm guessing that some of the factors you mentioned probably dictate how quickly they get to a high surface number, not if. With lane surface dictating the top value of surface, but still higher than estimates in this thread. That is just my opinion of course. i'm not trying to start an argument.

dR3w · « **Reply #20 on:** November 10, 2014, 04:05:19 PM »

Stole this from Bowling Chat:

From Mo Pinel:

Balls with highly polished smooth surfaces will go the other way because bowling with them will add fine scratches to the surface. If you test for surface changes through bowling, your results will be entirely different on wood and synthetic lane surfaces. If you bowl on old original Brunswick Anvilane and Brunswick System 2000, bowling will add deeper scratches because those worn synthetics have aluminum oxide exposed, which sands the ball. It is very surface specific as to which surface roughness balls will migrate to. There's the whole truth. You deserved to know it.

OP said in the thread:

Had a chance to use the Jayhawk surface scanner yesterday and was very surprised with the results. I scanned the following balls:

Storm Reign 3000 sia 15 games ago scanned 5300

Marvel 500/2000 Black Magic polish 6 games ago scanned 5263

Nano 500/1500 Black Magic 10 games ago scanned 4862

Taboo pearl burned with white pad scanned 4739

Frantic off the shelf scanned 5800

And a guy brought his Nano in after a 3 game set to see how much the surface had changed. Before bowling it scanned 1850. After just 3 games it scanned 4200!!! I was shocked. Quite interesting to say the least.

Just thought I'd share that for free.

charlest · « **Reply #21 on:** November 10, 2014, 04:20:25 PM »

Quote from: dR3w on November 10, 2014, 04:05:19 PM

Stole this from Bowling Chat:

From Mo Pinel:

Balls with highly polished smooth surfaces will go the other way because bowling with them will add fine scratches to the surface. If you test for surface changes through bowling, your results will be entirely different on wood and synthetic lane surfaces. If you bowl on old original Brunswick Anvilane and Brunswick System 2000, bowling will add deeper scratches because those worn synthetics have aluminum oxide exposed, which sands the ball. It is very surface specific as to which surface roughness balls will migrate to. There's the whole truth. You deserved to know it.

OP said in the thread:

Had a chance to use the Jayhawk surface scanner yesterday and was very surprised with the results. I scanned the following balls:

Storm Reign 3000 sia 15 games ago scanned 5300

Marvel 500/2000 Black Magic polish 6 games ago scanned 5263

Nano 500/1500 Black Magic 10 games ago scanned 4862

Taboo pearl burned with white pad scanned 4739

Frantic off the shelf scanned 5800

And a guy brought his Nano in after a 3 game set to see how much the surface had changed. Before bowling it scanned 1850. After just 3 games it scanned 4200!!! I was shocked. Quite interesting to say the least.

Just thought I'd share that for free.

(Personally) I've seen all that. I have no problems with any of that. I don't doubt it.

99.99% of bowlers, who are aware of this idea, will never check their balls after 3 games. Most will start thinking about it somewhere in the 25 - 75 game range or when they see polish removed. By then most balls will wear int he 2000 grit range, ranging from 1000 - 3000, more or less due to the lane surface and other factors.

Bowling on very lightly oiled AMF HPL and 15 year old Brunswick Anvllanes, when I clean my polished balls, remove the oil and the oil shine, and see that the polished surface has been smoothed dull after 6 games of league, I know something's wrong.

trash heap · « **Reply #22 on:** November 12, 2014, 12:04:27 PM »

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if you keep using a 4000 grit (Abralon or Siaair) pad beyond its3-5 uses, you will find that it will start to put a shine on the ball.

Wow! Only about 5 uses of these pads and they lose their original grit. I did not know that.

charlest · « **Reply #23 on:** November 12, 2014, 01:47:14 PM »

Quote from: trash heap on November 12, 2014, 12:04:27 PM

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if you keep using a 4000 grit (Abralon or Siaair) pad beyond its3-5 uses, you will find that it will start to put a shine on the ball.

Wow! Only about 5 uses of these pads and they lose their original grit. I did not know that.

Put a black mark on the back of the pad each time you use it. When its fresh, the finish you get will almost always be dull, no reflections. Once it's worn and the grit has broken down to around 5000 grit, it will put a shine on the ball, where before it did not. Siaair brand pads will give you a slightly longer use life, maybe 4 - 8 uses, depending on how firmly you press and for how long.

Keep in mind that rougher pads (lower numerical grit rating) should last for more uses than a 4000 grit pad. The lower the number the longer it should last;just keep an eye on them and it's best to mark the uses with a permanent marker on the back of the pad.

trash heap · « **Reply #24 on:** November 12, 2014, 03:23:48 PM »

Charlest,

Great Tip. Thanks for this info. I am putting this thread into a PDF file for keeping. It is amazing how many little pieces of information from posts I have placed into my personal bowling library.

Almost everything on Cleaners and Ball Surface Process has come from you. Thank You.

charlest · « **Reply #25 on:** November 12, 2014, 04:01:03 PM »

Quote from: trash heap on November 12, 2014, 03:23:48 PM

Charlest,

Great Tip. Thanks for this info. I am putting this thread into a PDF file for keeping. It is amazing how many little pieces of information from posts I have placed into my personal bowling library.

Almost everything on Cleaners and Ball Surface Process has come from you. Thank You.

Thank you. You're welcome. Hope it all proves useful.

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