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Tom

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Recreating out of box finish
« on: December 30, 2015, 01:29:08 PM »
I just received a new Roto-Grip Hetic. While I was installing new grips and thinking of what surface to start with. For me, I always change the surface on new balls so I can recreate the ball surface at home. While debating a starting point, I remembered an old post from the frequently asked questions list. Below is a brief excerpt from the Roto-Grip response to one of our members on how to approximate their factory finish on 1500 grit polished balls

“For polished balls, reproduce the 360 and 500 grit finish and then apply Storm Step 2 Finishing Compound. This is the exact same finishing compound we use on all of our 1500 grit polished balls. The trick to the polish application is to use less polish and very light pressure. Step 2 Finishing Compound has a resurfacing medium in it that sands the ball while it is being polished over-application of the compound will effectively destroy the same surface deviations that originally gave the ball its strong out of box finish.”
 
If I Followed the above steps I would leave a ball shiny with significant surface score lines that would be obvious to the necked eye. Out of box 1500 grit polished balls are smooth as a prom queen’s thighs. There would be no way to recreate the box finish without leaning long and hard on Storm’s Step 2 Finishing Compound to the point that the 360 and 500 grit scoring would be totally removed. I have looked at the box finish on the ball through major magnification and can’t see any score lines at all.  ::)

I guess until I figure out what I’m missing in the process, I will continue to alter out of box surfaces to a finish I can recreate. By best guess is around 4000 with a light coat of polish. :-\

 

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Re: Recreating out of box finish
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 03:07:15 PM »
Try this!!   how to recreate on a spinner.....
https://www.stormbowling.com/docs/Resurfacing_Guide_2012.pdf
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Re: Recreating out of box finish
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2015, 04:50:15 PM »
Below is a brief excerpt from the Roto-Grip response to one of our members on how to approximate their factory finish on 1500 grit polished balls

“For polished balls, reproduce the 360 and 500 grit finish and then apply Storm Step 2 Finishing Compound. This is the exact same finishing compound we use on all of our 1500 grit polished balls. The trick to the polish application is to use less polish and very light pressure. Step 2 Finishing Compound has a resurfacing medium in it that sands the ball while it is being polished over-application of the compound will effectively destroy the same surface deviations that originally gave the ball its strong out of box finish.”


That excerpt is from the old Scotch-brite VS Abralon letter (From 6-7 years ago). That's not how they recommend doing the steps for the 1500 polished surface now.

This is the current method:

1500-grit Polished Factory Finish
1. 500-grit pad – Sand firmly for 30 seconds on all four sides.
2. 1000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 20 seconds on all four sides.
3. 2000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 20 seconds on all four sides.
4. 4000-grit pad – Sand lightly for 20 seconds on all four sides.
5. Storm® Step Two™ – Polish lightly for 15 seconds on each side.

Note these steps don't really get you the OOB surface, just maybe close.

Your better off forgetting about the OOB, it's basically impossible to match the OOB surface. If you had a ball scanner then you could probably match it, by finding the right combo of grits.


Take a look at my bowlers grit chart for more info

http://home.earthlink.net/~litefrozen/downloads/bowling_grit_chart_v2.pdf
« Last Edit: December 30, 2015, 04:56:13 PM by Aloarjr810 »
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Re: Recreating out of box finish
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2015, 06:34:08 PM »
I think I've gotten pretty close to recreating Storm's 1500 polished surface on a spinner at least in my eyes based on reaction. I use light-moderate pressure, a little more than just letting my hand rest on it

500 abralon, 4 sides 15 seconds each
4000 abralon,  4 sides 10 seconds each
Ultimate Bowling Quik Cut Polish for 15 seconds on each side

I believe Quik Cut states that it takes surface to 500 grit polished
« Last Edit: December 30, 2015, 06:39:25 PM by SVstar34 »

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Re: Recreating out of box finish
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2015, 08:14:31 PM »
Thanks guys for the up to date information. I knew that technique described in the letter had some major flaws. Hell, with that much surface left on a ball you could bowl on lanes covered in 30 weight motor oil.  :)

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Re: Recreating out of box finish
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2016, 02:56:17 PM »
I also will rework surface on a new ball before I use it
I believe I heard that abralon pads are used for 25 or so balls at the factory before they are changed out
So if your ball is the 1st or last on the pad on the HAUS machine, they will be way different
I believe BTM reviews uses the surface scanner to tell us what the factory surface actually is from the factory and I don't believe its remotely close to advertised.
I did see something where dry sanding gets you much closer to the pad grit than wet sanding.
I use more of a trial and error method so that I know what works for me
the advertised grit from the literature isn't realistic IMO
« Last Edit: January 02, 2016, 02:58:58 PM by Dave81644 »