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skevr

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« on: February 16, 2010, 05:18:15 AM »
Can anyone recommend a good ball cleaner that will leave a dull ball with a tacky feel to it. Appreciate it !!
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tizzle

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Re: cleaners
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 01:28:51 PM »
Make your own... 50 percent simply green, 50 percent alcohol.. leaves the ball clean and very tacky feeling. Include a hot water bath every 30-50 games or so and your equipment will last a long time!
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..A Reign of Fire, 2 Invasions, and a green Avalanche.. how can I lose....

....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)
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Re: cleaners
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 02:21:51 PM »
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Make your own... 50 percent simply green, 50 percent alcohol.. leaves the ball clean and very tacky feeling. Include a hot water bath every 30-50 games or so and your equipment will last a long time!
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Hmm..Lets see what I have in this bag..A Reign of Fire, 2 Invasions, and a green Avalanche.. how can I lose....

....HG-300(2006 w/Desert Heat)...299 (03/15/09 w/Agent Orange)...HS-776 (Hot Sauce Pearl & Ebonite Magic)


That's what I use as well. This combination seems to work very well. Yesterday I took my Hammer Chalk to be refinished as it has around 200 games on it. I had the shop bake the oil out, then a complete refinish back to OOB finish. Our pro shop guy said it had almost no oil in it. So either the Simple Green/Alcohol combo works really well, or this particular ball just doesn't absorb oil. Being a Hammer ball, that would be a little hard to believe.
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Re: cleaners
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 02:37:48 PM »
Ebonite Power House Clean N Dull:

Removes oil, dirt, and belt marks from the ball's surface

Revives natural tack to the ball surface for ultimate lane gripping power

Slower drying gel formula for deep cleaning

Bio-degradable lemon/lime scented formula

For use on all high-performance bowling equipment

Approved for use during USBC competition
Length - No change
Backend - No change
Overall Hook - No change



http://powerhousebowling.com/products/prodetail.php?PRKey=121
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Re: cleaners
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 02:49:46 PM »
My own cleaner PJ's Tacky Snap  approved by USBC i have reviews on the other site
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 02:50:15 PM »
Hard to beat Clean N Dull. Simple Green/Alcohol/Water is a good 'after use' cleaner but C N D is the best for just about any thing you'd need.
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J_w73

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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 06:42:43 PM »
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Ebonite Power House Clean N Dull:

Removes oil, dirt, and belt marks from the ball's surface

Revives natural tack to the ball surface for ultimate lane gripping power

Slower drying gel formula for deep cleaning

Bio-degradable lemon/lime scented formula

For use on all high-performance bowling equipment

Approved for use during USBC competition
Length - No change
Backend - No change
Overall Hook - No change



http://powerhousebowling.com/products/prodetail.php?PRKey=121


just looking at the approved cleaners on the bowl.com site and clean and dull is only approved for use before and after competition.
most of the online sites selling it say for use DURING USBC competition. Did something change on this recently??
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 07:25:44 PM »
I imagine they took Bean's off the list because it has a polish in it and will shine up a ball rather than leaving the surface unchanged.  That's a no-no for competition use.  Not sure about Clean 'n' Dull.

The best cleaners on the market right now are Lanemasters' and Valentino Remedy RX.  I don't think Lanemasters' cleaner is approved for use at any time, only before or after competition.  It's also got an, umm, smell to it that's hard to ignore.

Remedy is approved for use at any time and is a fantastic cleaner.  I cannot recommend it highly enough.

The posted poor-man's solution of Simple Green, alcohol, and (my preference) water is good too, but not as good as the others.

SH
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 07:40:29 PM »
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Ebonite Power House Clean N Dull:

Removes oil, dirt, and belt marks from the ball's surface

Revives natural tack to the ball surface for ultimate lane gripping power

Slower drying gel formula for deep cleaning

Bio-degradable lemon/lime scented formula

For use on all high-performance bowling equipment

Approved for use during USBC competition
Length - No change
Backend - No change
Overall Hook - No change

http://powerhousebowling.com/products/prodetail.php?PRKey=121


just looking at the approved cleaners on the bowl.com site and clean and dull is only approved for use before and after competition.
most of the online sites selling it say for use DURING USBC competition. Did something change on this recently??
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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185


Recently, no. Powerhouse bought the rights to market it (at least, maybe to manufacture it, I'm not sure) when they bought the Track name. They have also change the use instructions. I don't even know if it's the same stuff as Track used to market and was made by APP, because they changed the instructions.
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Re: cleaners
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2010, 08:39:36 PM »
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USBC took CND, and Beans sauce off the list.  Not sure why, but I do know for a fact that both those products were on the list last year.
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I am still seeing Bean's sauce in the approved anytime section as of the 11/24/09 list.  It may have moved to a different part of the list, now for manufacturer it is under "Lane #1  Bean's Pro Shop" and name listed as "Secret Sauce ball polish".  Page 2, 13th item down:

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/approved_anytime_112409.pdf


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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2010, 12:57:57 AM »
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I imagine they took Bean's off the list because it has a polish in it and will shine up a ball rather than leaving the surface unchanged.  That's a no-no for competition use.  Not sure about Clean 'n' Dull.

SH


I don't think that is the reason.. I agree that it should be a No No to alter the surface either way.. dulling or shining.. but USBC really only looks at dulling as altering the surface.. you can bring a sanded ball to competition and if it is hooking too much or too early you can go toss it in the luster king during USBC competition. The luster king is approved during competition(atleast it was last time I knew).. there are also many other products on the list that will shine up a ball and alter the surface in my opinion.... here are just a few that I found..

Mega Bite Storm Bowling Products
Moon Shine Storm Bowling Products
Reacta Shine Storm Bowling Products
Super Shine Polish Storm Bowling Products
Xtra Shine Storm Bowling Products

I took a break from bowling for a while. Before I left the rule was you couldn't put anything on your ball except for a dry towel to remove lane oil.. when I came back I was freaked out because I saw people with cleaner or alcohol soaked towels and using it on their balls during league.


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HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185
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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2010, 09:53:54 AM »
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I don't think that is the reason.. I agree that it should be a No No to alter the surface either way.. dulling or shining.. .... The luster king is approved during competition(atleast it was last time I knew).. there are also many other products on the list that will shine up a ball and alter the surface in my opinion.... here are just a few that I found..


I don't really agree with the use of the Lustre King (for one thing, the nature of the finish is completely dependent on the proprietor's ability to properly maintain the thing).  Polishing is altering the surface and the ball reaction every bit as much as sanding.  If it's really about surface grit, then we should be allowed to remove polish but leave the underlying surface the same.  But we're not.

One thing the Lustre King has going for it is that it (supposedly) gives a uniform surface.  It doesn't just change a portion of the ball's surface.  I can imagine a case with a bottle of Secret Sauce where someone applies polish only to the initial flare rings, allowing the ball to clear the heads while still having surface on the later rings to cut through carry down.  Polishing (or sanding) by hand during league makes it tough to get a truly uniform surface, and so it shouldn't be allowed (and, in the case of dulling, isn't allowed).

I don't think the Lustre King should be legal, but that shouldn't make Secret Sauce or any of the other polish-containing cleaners legal, too.

SH
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2010, 01:35:41 PM »
I wrote the USBC about the change of legal use for the Clean N Dull and they said that a bunch of products were reclasified this year.  They said that Clean N Dull leaves a residue on the ball and that is the reason for the reclassification.


"Last year we reclassified quite a few products.  The decision to reclassify was made because of our improvements in analysis methods.  You may still use Clean N Dull, but now it is classified as “approved before and after” certified competition.  

Yes, this does mean you cannot use it during competition (only before and after) – no matter what the brand on the label.

I reclassified this product because it, as well as many others, leaves a residue on the ball.  "

In regards to using the products that polish up the ball during competition:

"I am aware of the polishes you mentioned and after August 1st of this year, they will have been reclassified as well.  

The rule you mention is one of a few that we may change in the future.  As of right now, it is as it stands.  "



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18 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, 15 deg axis tilt, varied rotational axis deg.. usually 45+
HighGame 300 x 4, High Series 808
Book Average 205,PBA Xperience 185


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