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Juggernaut

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Mutant--Coverstock death? HELP!
« on: April 26, 2004, 02:11:21 AM »
Got a mutant from a friend who doesn't like it anymore.  When he first got it, he polished it to tame it down some, then traded it to someone else.

  Now he gets it back, expecting it to hook like old days, only to find that it hardly reads the condition at all, and NEVER seems to "set" when it hits the breakpoint.  I watched him throw it, and like a urethane, it seemed to WANT to set, it just never would.

  I know the drilling has a bit to do with it, but this is the same ball that before would hook a ton and set so hard it would leave solid 9's on a regular basis.  He gave ( yes, GAVE ) the ball to me out of disgust.  Is there ANYTHING I can do to bring it back?  I've got plenty of other stuff to throw, I am just curious to see if I can save this one.   Thanks
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Re: Mutant--Coverstock death? HELP!
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2004, 05:30:29 PM »
First thing I would do would be a good cleaning, a full resurface (Haus or Scotch Brite, not sandpaper) in case he used a ton of polish (or car wax) and really burned it in, and then a hot water/Dawn soak to de-oil the ball.  Using too much polish or car wax will make any ball look like weak urethane.  Then try to duplicate the surface when it hooked (600 grit surface with a light coat of Black Magic, for example).  If that doesn't work, try the Rejuvinator or Hook Again treatment.
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Re: Mutant--Coverstock death? HELP!
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2004, 01:15:21 AM »
Strider,

  Thanks for the info. The other guy is throwing a new sonic boom and it is out hooking this ball on the backends by quite a bit.  I was also thinking that the cover might be oil soaked past its retention point.  Do you think the hot water/dawn treatment would be enough or do you think it will need more?

  It has enough oil in it that just laying my warm hand on it caused an oily feeling "wet" spot on the ball, that is why I was thinking it might need to be "cooked" instead of just hot water/soap.

  As far as the polish used, I am sure it was Finesse it II.  This is an automotive type polish used in professional auto shops to finish paint to a high gloss shine, as you probably already know.  It is the only thing the shop here has used for about a year now as far as polish goes.

  So you are saying, FIRST re-surface the ball to get the polish off it, then try the hot water/dawn treatment to de-oil it.  Then, if that doesn't work, run it through a rejuvinator, correct?
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Re: Mutant--Coverstock death? HELP!
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2004, 02:13:42 PM »
Hate to say it, but this coverstock, once gone, is...well, it won't come back very far even on Easter...and I've tried EVERYTHING.
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Re: Mutant--Coverstock death? HELP!
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2004, 05:04:32 PM »
O.K.  this is starting to sound like a challenge, and I LOVE a challenge.  So far, here is how it goes.

  Track mutant, pin above fingers, cg finger negative quadrant=7/8 finger-3/8 negative side.  Ball has lots of oil absorption and the cover needs a re-surface anyway.  Is this enough to overcome?

  Ball acts DEAD! It hooks, just doesnt read the backends.  It rolls, but hits like a powderpuff and deflects. Tries hard, just never "sets" into that pounding impact roll so common nowadays.

  I am going to try everything I know, everything everybody else here suggests, and then invent something else if none of this works.  I guarantee, if there is a way to do this, I WILL figure it out.  I needed a good experimental toy, and if I can figure out how to fix it, maybe I can help everybody who is suffering with a similar problem.

  I will try to keep this thread going and post updates as they come.
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Re: Mutant--Coverstock death? HELP!
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2004, 12:38:39 PM »
jAbBeRwOcKy -- A fellow pro shop operator I trust told me that Finesse It II will do a great job of polishing a ball, increasing length, etc., but that if you ever want to bring it back to nib condition it has to be completely resurfaced.  He said that the constituents of this polish get into the pores of the ball, and that a simple scuffing of the surface won't help.  That's why I stopped using it and now use only polishes designed for bowling balls.  --  JohnP

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Re: Mutant--Coverstock death? HELP!
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2004, 03:14:25 AM »
I would 2nd strider's post... full resurface/hot water treatment (don't over do it)/ clean with the neotec products/ if it's in the budget, rejuvenate or hook it again.. should theoretically work.  

Let us know how it goes.. sounds interesting.
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Re: Mutant--Coverstock death? HELP!
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2004, 09:41:22 AM »
I have brought back several so called dead balls through experimentation.

First thing is to take 220 wet sand on the ball to take the cover down clean.  Then a hot water bath with dawn to bleed.  Important here is to follow this step if there is something in the cover and you heat the ball and it absorbs deeper a resurface won't work as well after.

Water should not be over 110 degrees. Once oil stops bleeding and this may take a while.  Resurface ball with whatever grit you like.  Then use Tracks Clean and dull on the ball and dont be stingy here.  You can  also use hook it if you aren't afraid of the stuff.

Then apply the Elixir to keep the oil saturation from returning.

By the way if you decide to polish the ball use approved ball polishes.

I hope this helps and feel free to message me.
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Re: Mutant--Coverstock death? HELP!
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2004, 08:46:26 PM »
Aside from everything Strider said, once you de-oil the ball and are ready to refinish the surface, try to use the Track Clean and Smooth. This will bring the ball to the factory standard of 1500 smooth. Most of the newer Track balls have that as a base surface and then are adjusted from there.
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