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channel surfer

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MY review on simple green
« on: December 28, 2004, 02:21:58 AM »
I started using simple green back in the days, when the rave started. I tried several mixing ratios. 25% water, 50% water, and 75% water.

I noticed, on polished coverstocks it always left a dirty type filmy substance. On sanded surfaces it left a slight flim, but rarley noticable. I used a regular towel to wipe the simple green off the ball.

However, that filmy substance always stayed on the ball, and felt like surface oil that just sits on the surface. After extended use, it seemed like the reaction of every ball I used simple green on decreased overtime, it did not kill the ball, but it wasnt performing like it was before. I basically came to the conclusion that it was pointless applying simple green.

After I reached that conclusion, I also wanted to see how not cleaning equipment would effect performance. I was expecting a serious decrease in performance, but to my suprise, performance went back to normal, and pin action increased.

I havent used any type of cleaner in a few months, and my equipment is still performing to its peak. In theory, it doesnt make much sense at all.

Oil clogs the pores of the surface, so to remove this excess oil would increase performance, right? And for a solution like simple green(degreaser), it should be very effective in removing the dirt/oil inside the coverstock.

Please, leave your ideas/comments, as this will benefit everyone here.

Im still under going this "equipment cleaning" test.
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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2004, 10:31:42 AM »
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I havent used any type of cleaner in a few months, and my equipment is still performing to its peak. In theory, it doesnt make much sense at all.

Not at all.
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Ernie McCracken

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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2004, 10:54:49 AM »
Interesting.  As a die hard user of the Green, I'll have a hard time giving it up but I'll try and see what happens.  Rubbing alcohol is still fine right?
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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2004, 11:31:15 AM »
Rubbing alcohol doesn't do anything. Take a little lane oil and try to wipe it up with alcohol. All it will do is smear it around and make a mess. They use alcohol in ball cleaners to help the liquid evaporate quicker. You need a cleaner that breaks down oil.

channel surfer

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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2004, 11:38:42 AM »
Im starting to wonder, maybe it has something to do with the towel. Maybe I should try a microfiber towel?

My towel(s) may have just been smear it around instead of actually absorbing it.
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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2004, 12:07:53 PM »
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Im starting to wonder, maybe it has something to do with the towel. Maybe I should try a microfiber towel?

My towel(s) may have just been smear it around instead of actually absorbing it.
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Exactly the problem, if you don't get the simple green off the ball, it will leave a film (if you notice, it does this with many other types of cleaners too). I personally like a mix of isopropyl alcohol and simple green 50/50.
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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2004, 01:10:09 PM »
I use a mix of equal parts of Simple Green, water, and rubbing alcohol and clean the balls on a spinner.  It does indeed leave a film on the ball, which I remove with a wet paper towel.  The SG makes the oils soluble so that water will remove that film.  The alcohol helps to remove belt marks and "lane dirt" as well as help the solution dry faster.  I got this formula from several other posters here at BR.  --  JohnP

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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2004, 04:43:45 PM »
Try using Dawn and hot water.  It is the best at removing oil.

Here is a little secret.  Whenever there is a grease or oil spill on the highway that needs to be cleaned up most of the govenment agaencies use Dawn and water.  

When birds or other animals get soaked in oil from a tanker they are cleaned up with Dawn.

Why? Because it is a detergent.  

Inexpensive and it works well.
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legend4life95

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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2004, 05:15:42 PM »
I tried simple green for a while, but it couldn't do the job as well as 100% Windex. Windex works way better IMO and won't leave a film. That's all I use now.

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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2004, 05:20:54 PM »
I went to a microfiber towel from the automotive section at my local Wal-Mart and rubbing alcohol for cleaning before and during league.The dirt and oil that I get off of my equipment gives my resins that tacky feel that I know gives a little better reaction than simply smearing the iol around with a towel that has nothing on it.
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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2004, 05:28:49 PM »
Neo Tac "liquid Nitro" for daily cleaning and Neo Tac "Hook-It" every 40 games or so is the best method I have found.

I use Simple Green whenever I run out of Liquid Nitro. I buy a roll of White Paper Shop Towels at Lowes, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, etc to wipe off the Simple Green and have had no problems with film from Simple Green. I also use the same paper towels with any ball cleaner.
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Re: MY review on simple green
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2004, 05:37:58 PM »
Some excellent maintenance information exists on the Ebonite site. The following is a snippet to live by:

 
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Cleaning and Maintenance:
Consistent performance and longevity are the by-products of a strict maintenance regimen. We recommend cleaning your ball after each league with a strong degreasing cleaner to remove oil and dirt from the ball's surface and to reduce the amount of oil absorbed into the ball. Alcohol and glass cleaners are not effective at breaking down lane oil.  

You will also need to periodically refresh the ball's surface texture to maintain consistency of breakpoint length and backend hook. All particle balls need more maintenance than reactive resin. The frequency will be determined by the amount of games bowled and the lane conditions.




To further elaborate:

1) Wipe your ball off with an oil free towel between shots. This gets much of the surface oil before it absorbs.

2) Clean your equipment with your favorite degreasing agent after each session. Use 409 or Simple Green if you're cheap (I use 409 ), or a commercial grade bowling product if you can afford it. Again, save the windex for cleaning your windows, and the rubbing alcohol for disinfecting cuts. These agents are not degreasers, have no place on a bowling ball surface.

3) Occasionally refresh the surface of your ball with scotchbrite, sandpaper, or one of the 'by-hand products' (Renew-it, Liquid Sandpaper, etc.). It's a big subject, so research what's appropriate to your specific equipment. Cleaning (under #2) is certainly important, but it's not a substitute for maintaining the cover surface in optimum lane contact condition.

Do these things and you'll be qualified to laugh at bowlers who claim ball death at 50-100 games.
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