Author Topic: Clean n Dull..a question (Read 4061 times)

Raven829 · « **on:** July 13, 2006, 08:40:08 PM »

I bought a small bottle from azguy awhile back along with a couple other items. He included instructions but I misplaced them. Anyhow, I have noticed when using it that it is absorbed into the coverstock almost immediately. This is most noticable on dull covers such as my box Epic. It gets sucked in almost before I can turn the spinner on. I'm assuming I am not using it correctly.

My process for it is putting about a quarter size amount on the ball. I then spread it with a clean towel (this is where it starts to disappear). I turn the spinner on and make a few passes. I then switch to another clean towel and spritz the ball with water. After the water I take a 3rd towel and wipe the ball down, then flip it. Any suggestions as to where I'm going wrong?

Don

azguy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2006, 05:56:32 AM »

You are doing it almost as I do. I use a damp, almost wet, rag after applying it, to take it off, then clean dry one, next step, but that's just the way I do it. I don't use a spinner either, but again, that's just me.
I pm'd you a copy of the instructions, hope that helps.

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legend4life95 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2006, 06:45:00 AM »

Raven, thats the way I use it as well. It works great for me. Once you start spreading the gel on the ball you should have enough time to turn the spinner on and after applying pressure and creating friction the gel will be gone then. It should not absorb immediately. What type of ball/coverstock are you having the trouble with? Heavy oiler?
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2006, 11:45:09 AM »

I don't use a spinner a it leaves a slight sheen on dull balls. I do both dull and pearl balls by hand.

Dull Balls, I apply to half of the ball using a gray scotch brite pad with small circular motions and NO pressure on the pad. I let it set a few seconds and then take a damp towel and wipe it off and wipe a second time with a dry towel. I flip ball over and repeat on the other half.

Pearlized and Polished Balls, I use the same exact procedure as I do on Dull Balls, except I use a white scotch brite pad in place of the grey pad.

Using these two procedures, you will not alter the surface of the balls.

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legend4life95 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:04:12 PM »

Brick, I have to disagree. Using scotchbrite pads to apply CND WILL alter the surface unless the pads are the same grit as the current surface of the ball. For instance if the ball is 600 dull and you use a grey pad to apply, then that will change the grit to 800. If you are not applying any pressure at all with it then it is not cleaning the ball very good. I have no problem with dull balls getting a sheen when using a spinner. The trick is to spray the ball with water after cleaning with CND and dry with a microfiber towel. It WILL leave the ball dull. I simply squirt a quarter size amount of CND onto the ball. Then use a clean terry cloth towel to spread the gel and rub in. Next turn the spinner on and add pressure till the gel has dried in. Then spray the ball with water and dry with microfiber. Flip and repeat. This is the way I have done it for 2 years and has given me the best results.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:13:07 PM »

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Brick, I have to disagree.

Legend, disagree if you like, but it is true. If you use as I said and that is "NO" pressure, it WILL NOT alter the surface and it will clean the ball. I've been doing this for a year and a half with proven results. EXCALABER and a number of others do it too with sucessful results. In fact I believe it was EXCALIBER that discovered/invented or what ever you want to call it, this method. If you are comfortable with doing your balls the way you do them, then thats the way you need to continue doing them, even though I have found it to still leave a slight sheen on the ball.
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Edited on 7/14/2006 1:23 PM

legend4life95 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2006, 03:34:12 PM »

Well if you really mean "No" pressure at all....then it would not matter whether you use newspaper,Kotex pad, or scotchbrite. They would all just spread the gel. So why would a grey or white scotchbrite make the difference? You have to use a tiny bit of pressure to even rub the cleaner in. That scotchbrite pad is an abbrasive and pressing it against the ball and rubbing will cause a slight change.
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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2006, 07:19:31 PM »

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That scotchbrite pad is an abbrasive and pressing it against the ball and rubbing will cause a slight change.

Of coarse, if you press too hard, but ..... if you want to change the grit of a ball you have to use some pressure heavier than light pressure, depending what your definitation of pressure is. Yes, I use very light pressure, but not enought to alter the surface of the ball. If I tell people light pressure, they press too hard. If I tell them no pressure, they will use very light pressure which is what is required, so that is why I say no pressure. I can take my GP2 which is 1200 grit from the factory and use my cleaning method with the 800 grit pad method, then compare the ball to a NIB GP2 and I guarantee you that you can't see nor tell the difference and the ball will continue to perform like it did NIB.

You posted your method and I posted my method I figuring that the people could look at both methods and decide if they wanted to try one or the other or neither. As for your method, I simply stated the results I had trying it like that when I first started using C & D and it left a sheen on the ball which in turn effected the balls performance. I contacted EXCALIBER, (now C-G Pro Shop-Carl) told him my problem and he put me onto his method which I now use and it worked.

Hey, we all have the way we do things because we are happy with the results we get, so what is the point to continue to debate who is right and who is wrong. Let the people choose what they want to do.

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Edited on 7/14/2006 7:18 PM

legend4life95 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2006, 10:37:53 PM »

Agree to disagree

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SprayNpray · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2006, 12:14:44 PM »

I have tried a couple of methods when using Clean N Dull. I have experimented with using only a clean dry towel and CND. I apply a small amount to a corner of the towel, then buff with heavy pressure (I do not have a spinner) all the way around the ball. I do try to catch all 6 sides. I do not use any other cleaner to clean up, or even a wet towel to remove any residue.

When I have done this, I can definitely see on a white towel the amount of black grime and residue that comes out of the ball. I have noticed that this method requires that I throw the ball a few (maybe 3-5) games before the reaction returns to normal. I have determined that it is probably because of the residue left in the ball from the CND. I did this with a Strike Zone with very good results, just needed to get those extra games in before it really started biting down again.

This last time I took the same Strike Zone and soaked in hot water for 20 minutes, then used the method above. Ball looked like new when I was done, and I still did have to throw about 2 games before it was all the way back to normal. Then it was money!

I also just did the soak/CND method with my Scorchin' Inferno, only this time I took a green Scotch Brite pad and used it to apply the CND instead of a towel. In the hopes that I would be able to skip the few extra games this time, I used rubbing alcohol as the last step to remove any residue that may have been left over from the CND. I noticed that on my clean white towel the alcohol pulled up residue, but it was red in color as opposed to black (ball is red). I haven't had a chance to throw this ball since I did this, but I will keep you posted. The ball does look brand new though, nice and dull; just like when I bought it. This is nice because it had soaked up a lot of oil, and almost looked like a polished ball! Will let you know the results.

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mab · « **Reply #10 on:** July 22, 2006, 09:48:23 AM »

From the bottle
"For best results, apply a small ammount to a dry clean towel. Apply light pressure in a circular motion,doing 1/4 to 1/2 of the ball at a time. Remove with a damp towel & repeat on remainder of the ball. To increase back ends only, use on outside rings of flare only."
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pnj1967 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 22, 2006, 09:57:43 AM »

Brick, I agree with you, and that is how I use also, with NO pressure.

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Brick, I have to disagree.

Legend, disagree if you like, but it is true. If you use as I said and that is "NO" pressure, it WILL NOT alter the surface and it will clean the ball. I've been doing this for a year and a half with proven results. EXCALABER and a number of others do it too with sucessful results. In fact I believe it was EXCALIBER that discovered/invented or what ever you want to call it, this method. If you are comfortable with doing your balls the way you do them, then thats the way you need to continue doing them, even though I have found it to still leave a slight sheen on the ball.
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Edited on 7/14/2006 1:23 PM

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Big Jake · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2006, 01:51:38 PM »

Well, what I do is I apply pressure with out really applying pressure...

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