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Steven

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Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« on: March 10, 2004, 08:54:53 PM »
Neo-Tac recently introduced a terrific new ball cleaning product called 'Khameleon Particle Sand High Tech Ball Restorer'. For all those who have complained that Hook-It cleans but leaves a sticky residue, and/or that Renew-It cleans but also polishes, there are no more excuses.

'Khameleon Particle Sand High Tech Ball Restorer' is a pure cleaner that does nothing but industrial strength cleaning. It doesn't polish, it doesn't attempt to increase tac, it just flat out cleans.

At first I was concerned that the product is a form of liquid sandpaper -- meaning that the cover would be altered with product use. So as an experiment, I refreshed the cover of my X-Factor Deuce on the spinner using an 800 grit grey scotch-brite pad. This leaves very fine sanding lines on the cover. I then threw a few games on fresh oil to actually have something to clean. Then using a paper towel by hand, I cleaned the ball with Neo-Tac Restorer. It felt like using a very mild version of Neo-Tac Liquid Sandpaper. There was no question the Restorer was doing a complete clean -- I could feel it as I rubbed the compound into cover, and the paper towel was definitely picking up a lot of junk. And I was pleased that the 800 grit sanding lines were still intact after I was done, meaning that Restorer did not alter the cover.

As a final test, I cleaned the ball on my spinner (high speed setting) using Liquid Nitro. I made sure I was generating intense heat to pick up anything that might have been left behind by Restorer. To my delight, the towel was clean.

The bottom line is that Restorer seems to be a winner. And it should appeal to cheap bowlers who don't want to buy a spinner to use cleaning products. Just Restorer and a paper towel are all that's necessary.

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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2004, 01:14:57 PM »
Steven,
So have you tried the new product WITH your spinner?
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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2004, 02:19:11 PM »
Mumzie: No, I didn't try using Restorer on the spinner.

However, in the past, I have experimented with the other major liquid sandpaper products on my spinner (Ebonite Quicksand, Ebonite Sandblaster, Neotac Liquid Sandpaper), and I really didn't like the results. The Liquid Sandpaper compounds do not distribute evenly on the towel, so you get uneven sanding on the spinner. So from the 'cover refreshing' angle, using scotch-brite gives a much more uniform finish. And from a cleaning perspective, using a pure liquid cleaner at high speed with a lot of pressure is more effective.

I have to pack my spinner away when not in use, so it's not always convenient to pull it out and set it up when I have the urge to do a deep cleaning. That's what is really nice about the neotac products. They are designed to be used by hand, and using just a paper towel and a little elbow grease, do a great job.
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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2004, 02:31:19 PM »
Thanks for the info just picked up a bottle today to try on a few of my duller equipment set-ups but glad you gave the info on not altering cover settings.

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2004, 02:48:12 PM »
great post Steven, thanks!
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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2004, 02:55:00 PM »
Does anyone have a link to a website to order this product from?

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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2004, 09:34:01 PM »
Hmm... sounds like steven has bought some shares of Neo-tac stocks...LOL!!
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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2004, 09:32:46 AM »
I've always been very happy with Hook-It as a cleaner, but I was in my pro shop recently and they had this Khameleon stuff, and based on this post by Steven I bought a bottle of it.

This is the best and easiest ball cleaner I've ever used!

I have a Granite Gargoyle, a ball notorious for getting dirty and wanting to stay dirty.  It's my heavy oil ball, so I keep it at the original box finish of 320.  It not only looks like cement, it feels like cement.

The last time I had used the Granite, it was only for about one game, since the lanes broke down to the point of being out of the Granite's range in that time.  Nevertheless, the ball got visibly dirty.  (I've heard it said that the Granite "grows a beard" as you use it, and that puts it pretty well.)  My usual cleaning regimen with Hook-It left a few smudges on the ball that just didn't want to come off.  I've never purchased Liquid Nitro, but my pro shop gave me a bottle with a few ounces left in it, so I tried that on the Granite.  It didn't get the smudges out either, but I did notice that the Liquid Nitro did not leave the tacky feeling on the ball that I get from Hook-It.  I like that tacky feeling, so I went over the ball again with Hook-It, not necessarily trying to clean it anymore, but just to put that tacky feeling back on it.  I left it at that.

In my league on Saturday just past, the lanes were really sloppy, and it was like that just about to the head pin.  That's very unusual for this house, especially during the "Please Come Back and Bowl Next Year" time of the season when we usually get really soft conditions.  Nevertheless, it was a mess, and I ended up using my Granite for the whole set for the first time ever, and did quite well with it too, I might add.  Afterwards, the ball was a disgusting mess.

I decided this was an ideal time to try out the Khameleon Particle Sand High Tech Ball Restorer.  As I was shaking it up, I noticed that it sounded like it was thicker than Hook-It or Renew-It.  It sounded like a regular gel-like polish.  It turned out that it wasn't as thick as polish, but it is higher viscosity than Hook-It and Renew-It.  I put the ball in the spinner and put some Khameleon on a paper towel and went at it.  I could see black grunge coming off the ball.  After about 10 seconds of this, I held a clean towel on the spinning ball to get the residue off, and then stopped the spinner.

The ball was completely clean!  I've never seen anything work this well, this easy, and this fast.  I did the other side, and then flipped the ball 90 degrees to go over it again at a different angle to see if I'd get anything else.  Nope.  Once was enough.  Amazing.

As I said before, the Khameleon just cleaned, it didn't leave a tacky feeling on the ball.  I went over the ball with Hook-It as a final treatment just to add the tackiness and I was done in record time.

Khameleon is an excellent product.

I haven't tried it yet on a shinier ball, so I can't speak about Steven's finding that Khameleon didn't change the surface texture, but if that is so, it seems almost like the introduction of Khameleon makes Liquid Nitro somewhat superfluous in Neotac's line.  Liquid Nitro, like Khameleon, does not leave a tacky finish, but Khameleon effortlessly removed smudges that were giving Liquid Nitro (and Hook-It) a hard time.  If it turns out that Khameleon does dull down a shiny ball, (like my 5000 Sling Blade) then that might be the niche for Liquid Nitro.  For now though, my plan is to use Khameleon as my primary cleaner (especially on duller equipment) and Hook-It as a cleaner and a finishing treatment to create a tacky surface.

I know this post has been long-winded, but I have been a big proponent of Hook-It as a cleaner on this board, and in this forum in particular, and I felt that it was appropriate that I give a thorough report on how well this new Neotac product works.

Thanks to Steven for starting this post with his thorough report.  If I hadn't seen it, I don't know how long I might have waited to try Khameleon.

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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2004, 10:13:03 AM »
Nice post Shiv......my understanding is the Liquid Nitro is your "energizer cleaner" ...just an everyday get-the-gunk-off type stuff, ....not necessarily for belt marks, etc....

I love the Liquid Nitro for quick post-set cleans!
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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2004, 10:40:24 AM »
Just a quick question about this new cleaner.
I'm not one that uses these cleaners normally so please humor me.
I noticed Particle in the name of the product. Is this just to describe the product or does it mean that it should only be used on particle coverstocks?
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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2004, 01:33:21 PM »
da Shiv: Thanks for your reply. It was very complete (long winded or not). When I first saw your response, I thought it might be a "Steven, I tried this stuff, and you're full of......" That would have been OK, but I'm glad we didn't have to go there.

Just one clarification. I initially tried Khameleon on my Deuce, with the polish already mostly removed with grey 800-grit scothbrite. I was more interested in the effects on the slight sanding lines than I was on polish. I went here first because in my experiences, NeoTac Liquid Sandpaper can affect sanding line surfaces. Since Khameleon is still a 'liquid sandpaper' like solution (all be it very mild), I wanted to understand the effects at the most extreme level. At least with the naked eye, the fine sanding lines still appeared to be intact.

I haven't yet experimented with Khameleon on a true polished cover. My gut feeling is that it would work fine, but if there was any unwanted dulling, the polished surface could easily be touched up and restored with an application of Renew-It.

But for heavier oil equipment, as you verified, the stuff is really amazing. I got a new Ebonite Predator Jungle Green a few weeks ago, and bowled on a heavy fresh tournament block. The oil and other junk that repeatedly came back on the ball was amazing. And I also picked up some nasty belt marks to accentuate the flare lines that seemed permanently embedded in the cover.

To make a long story short, I gave the ball a good working over with Khameleon when I got home, and the ugly beast looked as good as NIB -- no exaggeration. Like you, I like the tacky feel on the cover, so I worked it over with Hook-It as a final touch.

As Jeff said, Liquid Nitro is a good intermediate cleaner that can be applied with a minimum of fuss. It doesn't remove belt marks or track flare, but it does a good job of cleaning the cover. It certainly does at least as good of a job as home baked degreasing remedies, and I personally like the resulting feel of the cover better. So they both have their place.

Anyway, thanks for the input.

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da Shiv

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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2004, 01:57:51 PM »
These Neotac products really do an excellent job.  On polished balls, what I generally use as a cleaner is a 50-50 mixture of Renew-It and Hook-It that I keep premixed in a specially marked bottle.  It doesn't come close to Khameleon in quick effectiveness, but it does clean and polish nicely at the same time.

As to SillyBillyBob's question, all the info Neotac provides says that Khameleon is for cleaning particle balls, but I can't think of any reason why it couldn't be used on a regular reactive resin ball.  I think that they specifically mention particle balls because particle balls are generally harder to clean, so if the product cleans particle balls it should work on anything.

Since Hook-It cannot be used on plastic balls, I'd avoid using Khameleon on plastic balls just in case, until someone gets a verdict from Neotac about whether or not it's safe for plastic balls.

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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2004, 07:58:13 PM »
King,

I've only used Khameleon by hand with a paper towel. Using moderate pressure (per the instructions on the back of the bottle), I did not see an alteration to my 800-grit sanding lines. There is little doubt that with a spinner and any significant pressure, the abrassive particles, as mild as they are, will cause some alteration to the cover. I'll take your word for the effect on polished equipment.

It's just my personal preference, but I would rather use scothbrite on the spinner if the intent is to alter the cover at all. Scotchbrite gives a uniform finish; my experience using the liquid sandpaper products with a spinner (NeoTac Liquid Sandpaper and Ebonite Sandblaster) have been hit and miss. Sometimes the liquids result in an uneven finish, depending on how the stuff is spread across the towel.
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Re: Neo-Tac Ball Restorer -- Great New Product
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2004, 09:23:13 AM »
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i am guessing the grit threashold is at 1500.



I'm going to guess that it's about 1200, for the following reason.

I picked up a new Depth Charge last night, and my first plan for it is to compare it one-to-one with my Diesel Particle Pearl.  I've done very well with the Diesel, and I had the Depth Charge drilled the same.  Both are very low RG, high differential particle pearls, and I wanted to prep their surfaces exactly the same so I can evaluate the differences between the balls when they are set up the same so I can decide from there how I want to set up the surfaces ultimately.

The Depth Charge is listed by Storm as coming with a 1500 grit polished surface, and that looks about right to me.  I put the Depth Charge on the spinner and used Khameleon on a paper towel as a first step to prepping the ball.  (I like to start right out doing what I call "cracking the shell" to remove whatever finish the ball comes with and setting it up with something that I know I can repeat.)  After going over it with the Khameleon, the ball was visibly duller and had light, but clearly present sanding lines on it.

As it happens, the surface treatment I use on my Diesel is the now defunct Ebonite Powerhouse Quicksand, which results in a 1200 surface.  After going over the Depth Charge with the Khameleon and comparing it to my Diesel, the surfaces looked about the same.  I then continued on the Depth Charge doing the exact same treatment I do on the Diesel, which is doing all six sides of the ball with Quicksand, and then wrapping it up by removing polish residue (Quicksand does leave residue) with a light going over with my 50-50 mix of Hook-It and Renew-It.  When I was done, the Diesel and Depth Charge looked the same surface wise, as one would expect.  The Depth Charge also looked about the same to me as it did after just the first going-over with Khameleon.

I'm sure that continued use of Khameleon will continue to reveal more of it's characteristics, but from what I've seen so far, besides it's excellent cleaning characteristics, it also produces about a 1200 surface.  I'd keep that in mind when using it on a ball that one keeps at a higher grit level surface, unless the intention is to re-polish the ball after cleaning.

I'll concede the possibility that Khameleon leaves a 1500 grit surface rather than a 1200 surface.  The two textures are so close that it's obviously hard to tell the difference.  I use those two surfaces a lot, though, and it looks a little closer to 1200 to me.  (I get my 1500 surfaces primarily from Storm Step Two Polish, which is what I'm guessing Storm probably used to get the out-of-the-box finish on the Depth Charge.)

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