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backupball

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Old Particle vs New Urethane
« on: July 20, 2017, 07:28:26 PM »
This may be a real odd question, but how do you think a ball with an old particle coverstock (Chaos, Proactive Zone, etc) would react on the lane vs the new "urethane" coverstocks (Black Hammer, Pitch Black, etc)? Most interested in this for application to shorter, flatter patterns. Thanks!

 

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Re: Old Particle vs New Urethane
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2017, 07:51:42 PM »
While the appearance of the ball path/shape and breakpoint will be similar, particle will handle lots more oil than will urethanes.

Urethanes will hook earlier on lesser amounts of oil (light to medium oil, as currently defined), while  particle balls will roll out on amounts of oil useful to urethanes. Particles will generally require more oil, medium, at a minimum, to as much as true heavy oil, before they will retain enough energy to be truly useful.
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Re: Old Particle vs New Urethane
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2017, 08:48:59 PM »
The particle cover will make more of a move in the friction vs the urethane, due to the resin additive...and a stronger movement overall
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Re: Old Particle vs New Urethane
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2017, 09:42:17 AM »
The particle cover will make more of a move in the friction vs the urethane, due to the resin additive...and a stronger movement overall

Since particle loads will vary considerably from light to heavy, and the surface can be anything from polished to very dull, yes, the actual ball reaction will also vary considerably.

On shorter flatter patterns, the ball reaction will also vary considerably, given that most particle balls are meant for heavier oil applications. I'd suggest that particle balls meant for shorter oil will probably have a sharper breakpoint than all urethane currently available.
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Re: Old Particle vs New Urethane
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2017, 11:30:13 AM »
kinda like when Chris Barnes was throwing the EPX on the short patterns?
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Re: Old Particle vs New Urethane
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2017, 01:10:15 PM »
Charles/Rico, thanks for your replies, they matched my intuition, but it's always nice to get feedback from people that know a lot more than you do.

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Re: Old Particle vs New Urethane
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2017, 01:11:54 PM »
Particle had a very good place in the bag when used properly
Too many thought when they saw hook it was more overall in comparison to resin reaction
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Re: Old Particle vs New Urethane
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2017, 02:20:55 PM »
Visionary still sells the Raven so new pearl particle is a choice as well, but as others say is an oiler and needs longer oil more than likely.  Not much beats the EPX for short heavy oil but not easy to find these days.  That new hot cell urethane might be able to handle short heavy oil not sure.  Supposed to be real strong.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2017, 02:29:38 PM by HackJandy »
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