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thedjs · « **on:** February 25, 2017, 10:53:50 AM »

What would be the difference between 500/2000/3000 and just 500/3000 surfaces? Would the latter be earlier that the other?

BallReviews-Removed0385 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2017, 11:18:12 AM »

Each "step" you make in the process "erases" to some degree the effect of the previous step. All other things being equal (many variables) then the latter of your two examples should pick up the mid-lane better.

LookingForALeftyWall · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2017, 06:32:27 PM »

Quote from: thedjs on February 25, 2017, 10:53:50 AM

What would be the difference between 500/2000/3000 and just 500/3000 surfaces? Would the latter be earlier that the other?

Quoted from Mo Pinel (Radical Bowling):
Skipping a grit allows the ball to check harder at the breakpoint while still getting good skid in the front. When you want control and a smooth breakpoint, use the correct grit sequence. When you want to make sure the ball reads the breakpoint, skip a grit.

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2017, 07:09:07 PM »

Quote from: thedjs on February 25, 2017, 10:53:50 AM

What would be the difference between 500/2000/3000 and just 500/3000 surfaces? Would the latter be earlier that the other?

Given the truth of what the above posters said, I would SUGGEST that 99.99% of all PBA level/quality bowlers could not tell the difference between 500/3000 and 500/2000/3000 or 500/1000/3000 reliably, over the long term.

I would also suggest that many (possibly 65%) of the good, knowledgeable bowlers here could tell the difference between 500/4000 and 500/1000/2000/4000.

Given all the balls available, all the coverstocks, and all the possible surfaces, most people do go to this level of detail in their pursuit of the perfect surface.

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2017, 11:59:03 PM »

+1 This is good info to know going forward as I experiment alot with different surfaces.

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 26, 2017, 12:01:45 AM »

Charlest, question for you; which finish would you recommend me to use to get my Primal Rage to flip a little sharper at the break point? (currently have it at 1000/2000)

Was also considering 1000/3000, or 500/3000.

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** February 26, 2017, 03:25:56 AM »

Quote from: leftybowler70 on February 26, 2017, 12:01:45 AM

Charlest, question for you; which finish would you recommend me to use to get my Primal Rage to flip a little sharper at the break point? (currently have it at 1000/2000)

Was also considering 1000/3000, or 500/3000.

It depends on your definition of "a little sharper" and what you would see.
It also depends on whether there's too much oil for that surface or too much dry.
Assuming there's too much dry -
I'd start with small increments: I'd suggest adding 4000 to your current base, 1000/2000.
If that's too long, try 500/3000.
If it doesn't add enough snap, you may need to try a light polish.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #7 on:** February 26, 2017, 06:16:00 AM »

I couldn't find the article, but there was one recently that pretty much stated that, no matter what surface you start out at, todays modern lane surface will slowly "re-surface" your ball at about a 2000 grit finish.

So, if you find a grit that works for you, you will need to refresh it periodically, probably around 9-12 games, to keep it at the grit you liked it at.

The effect is referred to all the time, just not the same way. People who like shiny polished stuff call it "burning a track" in the ball, while people who like a dull sanded finish call it "lane shine". What it actually is, is the lane friction slowly changing the surface if the ball.

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** February 26, 2017, 07:34:28 AM »

Quote from: Juggernaut on February 26, 2017, 06:16:00 AM

I couldn't find the article, but there was one recently that pretty much stated that, no matter what surface you start out at, todays modern lane surface will slowly "re-surface" your ball at about a 2000 grit finish.

So, if you find a grit that works for you, you will need to refresh it periodically, probably around 9-12 games, to keep it at the grit you liked it at.

The effect is referred to all the time, just not the same way. People who like shiny polished stuff call it "burning a track" in the ball, while people who like a dull sanded finish call it "lane shine". What it actually is, is the lane friction slowly changing the surface if the ball.

As near as I can tell, lane shine is oil being ground into the ball in the track area to the extent that regular cleaners cannot remove it. It needs to be removed by really strong cleaners, such as LMB International, Hook-It or Clean n Dull. It can also be sanded out. It does not seem, to my eyes, to be just a change in grit caused by the ball rolling along the lane surface.

One of those videos included Hank Boomershine demonstrating how one of the newest RG balls, at the time, had its surface changed by only 7 games of usage. I think another showed how some balls surface was radically changed in one league 3 game session.

Darreyl,

See Scott's post following this. It has the video where t shows the surface going to 4000 and finer, not 2000 grit. I remember that 2000 idea, but it seems ot have changed over time. Not sure exactly as the surface on the ball probably has more to do with how worn and rough the lanes surface is and how rough/ how friction it has to begin with. I know AMF's HPL has more friction than Brunswick's Anvillanes (I think there are several version of Anvillanes also); so HPL surfaces probably casue a lower grit level thn ANvillanes.

scotts33 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2017, 08:08:33 AM »

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As near as I can tell, lane shine is oil being ground into the ball in the track area to the extent that regular cleaners cannot remove it. It needs to be removed by really strong cleaners, such as LMB International, Hook-It or Clean n Dull. It can also be sanded out. It does not seem, to my eyes, to be just a change in grit caused by the ball rolling along the lane surface.

One of those videos included Hank Boomershine demonstrating how one of the newest RG balls, at the time, had its surface changed by only 7 games of usage. I think another showed how some balls surface was radically changed in one league 3 game session

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2017, 08:17:36 AM »

Thanks Charlest, will give those a try, and it's a little on the dryer side as you mentioned.

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2017, 08:20:42 AM »

I also forgot to mention to you that I changed my Rage to 1000/2000 from oob finish (Not reading soon enough on the dry by 2 ft). Decent backend motion carries almost all light hits but still not quite enough movement.

charlest · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2017, 10:47:46 AM »

Quote from: leftybowler70 on February 26, 2017, 08:20:42 AM

I also forgot to mention to you that I changed my Rage to 1000/2000 from oob finish (Not reading soon enough on the dry by 2 ft). Decent backend motion carries almost all light hits but still not quite enough movement.

If you changed it to that (2000 dull is a fairly large step from the stock polish), then take small increments. My feeling from your words is that you're close. Better small steps, so you don't miss your "window".

charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2017, 10:56:11 AM »

Quote from: scotts33 on February 26, 2017, 08:08:33 AM

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As near as I can tell, lane shine is oil being ground into the ball in the track area to the extent that regular cleaners cannot remove it. It needs to be removed by really strong cleaners, such as LMB International, Hook-It or Clean n Dull. It can also be sanded out. It does not seem, to my eyes, to be just a change in grit caused by the ball rolling along the lane surface.

One of those videos included Hank Boomershine demonstrating how one of the newest RG balls, at the time, had its surface changed by only 7 games of usage. I think another showed how some balls surface was radically changed in one league 3 game session

Thanks, Scott.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2017, 12:31:28 PM »

Jeff,

Yes, that is the one I was talking about, but somehow, I guess all my "information" has started running together, as I would've sworn 2000 was the right number. Thank goodness for people that have access to the proper stuff.

At any rate, it is easy to see just how quickly the modern lane surfaces change the actual finish on the ball. The 1500 you like, can turn into a 4000 you don't like, in just a few games.

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