Track used to market this compound but it was NOT one of their compounds that was picked up by Ebonite/Powerhouse to continue marketing it.

I just saw some information about the new Hammer ball, the Arson Low Flare. Its stock surface finish procedure involves the use of Powerhouse Clean and Sheen over a 500 grit sanding.

So I guess Ebonite has decided to market this product after a long hiatus from availability.

FYI its original purpose was to help drillers smooth out the rough surface caused by routing plug filler once it had dried. C&S will smooth out very rough sanding marks in the region of 320 - 500 grit, take the surface to about 1000 grit and add a dose of polish to it. It is very similar to Ultimate's Quick Kut and Polish, but is different from Brunswick's Rough Buff compound and Storm's Step compounds.

C&S is different from Rough Buff in that when applied to 1000 grit or numerically lower grit level, it will still add a shine, as it does contain a polish. RB is really just a SUPER aggressive abrasive compound. It will create a shiny look once it gets the ball to 5000 grit and higher. If you apply enough RB and press relatively firmly, to a ball at 1500 grit or numerically higher, it will smooth it to such a fine degree that the surface appears polished. This is very similar to using a very used 4000 grit Abralon pad on a ball that's already at 4000 grit. The used pad is at 5000 grit or higher and it will take the ball to that stage 5000+ grit and that ball will appear to be polished.

Thanks for answering my question from the other day. I use rough buff, but never tried the clean n sheen.

You're welcome;glad I could help.

They each have their uses. C&S is really for the pro shop. Its surface (500 + C&S) producing a 1000 grit polished finish can easily be replicated by the home spinner user by just sanding a ball to 1000 grit and using a non-abrasive polish. Rough Buff is a completely different compound.

Track use to use Clean & Sheen as a final surface on there products before the move to Ebonite. I am pretty sure balls like the Track Freak Out and Freak A Zoid had that finish. I used it all the time as a final prep on my benchmark ball. Really liked the early smooth read it gave me. Haven't been able to duplicate it with Storm or Brunswick products.

Quote from: dw23 on January 13, 2013, 01:43:54 PM

Track use to use Clean & Sheen as a final surface on there products before the move to Ebonite. I am pretty sure balls like the Track Freak Out and Freak A Zoid had that finish. I used it all the time as a final prep on my benchmark ball. Really liked the early smooth read it gave me. Haven't been able to duplicate it with Storm or Brunswick products.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if they used Clean and Smooth for that "compound" finish. It left a 1500 grit smooth or matte finish on balls. Try using Rough Buff by hand on a 1000 or 1200 grit sanded surface. RB is very abrasive but without a spinner and without firm pressure you create a variety of matte finishes. Or just use a P1500 grit Abralon or Siaair pad.

If you're looking for the 1000 grit + polish that C&S often gives,, your alternative is to sand a ball to 1000 grit and just just use a non-abrasive polish like Snake Oil. Much simpler and more direct than trying to get the right amount and pressure using the abrasive Clean and Sheen.

In any case, if Ebo Int'l is using it on the Arson Low Flare, it can't long before places like Buddies & Bowlers Paradise will carry it.

Thanks! Fortunately for me my pro shop still has clean and sheen. Since I am the only one that uses it I should get another year out of the quart they have. Since I like to work on my equipment at home I may give the rough buff another try. You can find clean and sheen on eBay sometime. I bought a 4oz bottle last year.

Quote from: charlest on January 13, 2013, 04:49:53 PM

Quote from: dw23 on January 13, 2013, 01:43:54 PM

Track use to use Clean & Sheen as a final surface on there products before the move to Ebonite. I am pretty sure balls like the Track Freak Out and Freak A Zoid had that finish. I used it all the time as a final prep on my benchmark ball. Really liked the early smooth read it gave me. Haven't been able to duplicate it with Storm or Brunswick products.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if they used Clean and Smooth for that "compound" finish. It left a 1500 grit smooth or matte finish on balls. Try using Rough Buff by hand on a 1000 or 1200 grit sanded surface. RB is very abrasive but without a spinner and without firm pressure you create a variety of matte finishes. Or just use a P1500 grit Abralon or Siaair pad.

If you're looking for the 1000 grit + polish that C&S often gives,, your alternative is to sand a ball to 1000 grit and just just use a non-abrasive polish like Snake Oil. Much simpler and more direct than trying to get the right amount and pressure using the abrasive Clean and Sheen.

In any case, if Ebo Int'l is using it on the Arson Low Flare, it can't long before places like Buddies & Bowlers Paradise will carry it.

Thanks! Fortunately for me my pro shop still has clean and sheen. Since I am the only one that uses it I should get another year out of the quart they have. Since I like to work on my equipment at home I may give the rough buff another try. You can find clean and sheen on eBay sometime. I bought a 4oz bottle last year.

You can get it here:

http://www.bowlingball.com/products/bowling-accessories/Track/4459/Clean--N-Sheen-Polish-4-oz.html

$15 for 4 oz?? Seems like a lot of money to me for very little product. Even USPS First Class shipping would be around $2.00 if that much.

Yeah that makes the deal I came across in a local thrift shop a while back on 50+ bottles of Clean and Sheen, Clean and Smooth, and Delayed Reaction all the more amazing!  Too bad only one bottle was the Track Magic Shine though....but I can't complain on the score at all.....I gave a bowling partner 3 bottles of each since he surfaces his equipment regularly too....
I probably could make a nice little profit if I was smart.  I'm guessing I won't use all that polish in my lifetime....lol...

How many bottles of each do you think I should honestly keep Charlest before selling the rest?  I use more surface than polish on my equipment anyways and keeping some of the bottles would be for convenience or just in case rather than regular use...

$15 for 4 oz?? Seems like a lot of money to me for very little product. Even USPS First Class shipping would be around $2.00 if that much.

The deal is you buy one for $15 and you get 2 for free.