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Boss_Hog

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Brunswick Touch Up
« on: November 01, 2011, 01:37:00 PM »
 Why do Brunswicks instructions for a 500 grit w/ Rough Buff ball be to:

Wet sand with 220 then apply Rough Buff to restore OOB finish?
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dizzyfugu

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Re: Brunswick Touch Up
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 10:31:32 AM »
Probably because they introduced various abrasive pads to their surface finishing after Rough Buff entered the market a couple of years ago. The original "formula" was 220 grit wet sanded, and the Rough Buff applied on top of that. Other base grits CAN have a different and intentional effect, though, I'd assume that the 500 grit you mention belong to a sanding pad (Abralon, Siiair), and that the 500 grit pad finish resembles the 220 grit wet sanded surface.

 

Make experiments - it is IMHO hard to copy an industrial OOB Rough Buff finish, anyway. ;)


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Re: Brunswick Touch Up
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 03:11:36 PM »
If you have visible track wear, then the 220 will remove it more effectively. The Rough Buff has abrasives that will further smooth the surface, but you can always add a step of 500 or whatever suits you in between. 
 
No ball company can anticipate perfectly every bowler's style and lane conditions. Practice adjusting your surfaces to find out which one best matches up to your game and conditions.  Let me know if I can further assist you.
 


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scotts33

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Re: Brunswick Touch Up
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 03:30:28 PM »
JMO but replicating any compound abrasive  finish/surface whether Rough Buff or Storm Step products, etal is a  total shot in the dark. 


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Re: Brunswick Touch Up
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 04:58:07 PM »
Yes, trying to replicate exactly the factory finish is probably impossible. They don't use personal spinners, etc.
 
That is the importance of finding one that works for you, and that you can try to replicate yourself, as much as possible. Compounds with abrasives will produce different results, depending on speed, hand pressure, amount of water used, and other variables.  Best of luck to you.
 
 


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Re: Brunswick Touch Up
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 05:44:00 PM »
That is the exact reason every new ball I have goes on my spinner prior to throwing it.
I can then reproduce that surface if needed.
 


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Re: Brunswick Touch Up
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2011, 08:29:04 PM »
FYI 220 grit US/CAMI equals approximately P220 grit FEPA.
P500 grit FEPA equals approximately 360 grit US/CAMI.
 
So currently the base starting grit for many Brunswick ball to whoch ROugh Buff is applied is finer than the base 220 grit US/CAMI that was applied to such balls as the Brunswick Vapor Zone and the MoRich Shock and Awe.
 
Whether  or not anyone here remembers, I do remember that the 220 Grit US/CAMI PLUS the Rough Buff application was determined here by people OTHER than myself to be equivalent to roughly P4000 grit FEPA. So if P220 grit FEPA (= 220 grit US/CAMI) + Rough Buff ~ P4000 grit FEPA, THEN, P500 grit FEPA (=360 grit US/CAMI) + Rough Buff must be greater than P4000 grit FEPA, probably at least P5000 grit FEPA. (Given what I have seen and experimented with the Trizact white pad [cerium oxide abrasive], I'd suggest that the final grit layer was closer to the P6000 - P8000 grit FEPA that is produced by the White Trizact pad.)
 
This must be true UNLESS Brunswick has changed the amount of Rough Buff use, or the amount or pressure applied to the Rough Buff OR the amount of time for which the Rough Buff was applied.


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dizzyfugu

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Re: Brunswick Touch Up
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2011, 07:31:40 AM »
 



notclay wrote on 02.11.2011 4:58 PM:

Yes, trying to replicate exactly the factory finish is probably impossible. They don't use personal spinners, etc.

 

That is the importance of finding one that works for you, and that you can try to replicate yourself, as much as possible. Compounds with abrasives will produce different results, depending on speed, hand pressure, amount of water used, and other variables.  Best of luck to you.

Totally agree. I found esp. Rough Buff hard to replicate - OOB the balls were much shinier than my attempts on the spinner at home and Rough Buff applied by hand, despite various base grits and abrasives I tried (came in the wake of a Shock & Awe which was so great OOB, but after resurfacing I was never able to get it back to where it came from...).

Since then I do not worry anymore about the OOB finish of a ball - I start surface trials with the first refreshment, and then try to find a hand-made finish which a) works well for me, b) makes the ball fit into my arsenal with respect to other stuff and c) which will be reliably replicable on my home spinner. I fared well with this tactic so far, even though finding a "new" surface can take more than one approach. But on the other side you learn a lot about the ball's beheviour and the surface effects on its reaction/performance and utliliy.

 

OOB is a myth!


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