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lrtrees

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Final step in making a surface change?
« on: July 03, 2008, 01:12:50 PM »
I really ought to know the answer to this question. but am really struggling with the answer.  
This is kind of a two part question and I hope I do not make a mess of what I am asking.
To reference the reason for the questions, I have read an article, found link here on BR.com.  In the article it indicates that the final sanding should reference the track on your ball.  If I understand correctly, sanding across the track would increase the potential of the ball to hook while sanding parallel with the track will increase length.
First question. I just finished a three game set and want to dress up the ball.  I can use one of my cleaners on the ball or I can use the Resurrection that I received several days ago.  I use the Resurrection and apply it to all 6 sides.  Now taking the article into account and I want to try and create more hook potential, do I place the center of the bowtie, in the track, at the top and then finish the process by sanding the ball in this position and then flipping the ball 180deg and finishing the process?
The second question is basically the same, but in this case I am making a surface change from, lets say 1000 to 800.  Would I follow the same procedure?
I hope this makes at least some sense.

Thank for your help,
Lon

 

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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2008, 03:09:07 AM »
I'm new at this also, but try to learn as quickly as possible. You will get some replies from more experienced guys. At least one for sure.

I also take the direction into account, when sanding a ball. Most of the time I sand across the track. I start with the track parallel to me and then flip it 90 degrees before the first sanding. I use the 4 side method, so the final two steps the balltrack will be in the right position.

I think it will work best with a spinner, because then you get evenly divided lines all in the same direction. It doesn't matter if you use paper or an fluid/paste which alters the grit, so I would use the same method.

It's logical that there is a difference between parallel or across sanding, but I ask myself would this be noticeable for the (average) bowler. I think we are talking about minor differences.

If you look at the more expensive resurfacing machines, they flip the ball in random order. So here the direction of the lines is not taken into account.

I'm curious about the other replies.

All the best,

Antoine

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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2008, 03:19:32 AM »
Yes, if you do sanding or polishing, use a spinner. If you do it by hand, the result will IMHO be too uneven to have an effect on length or "bite" which you can create with the direction of the final sanding lines.

The effect is minimal, but can enhance the ball's friction. If you sand in the direction of your initial track, you add a bit length through the heads and some bite for the back end - good for extra length on light conditions in the head area. If you sand the ball 90° to your initial track, you inprove the early grip and smooth out the back end recation a bit - good for oily shots when you need any extra early roll contribution.

Anyway, the effect is rather negligible, and only "works" with spinner application. Changing the surface grit has IMHO more visible effect. Adding polish will also reduce the effect - but it is an option if you want to exploit a ball's potential for certain needs. I do it frequently on my equipment, but it is probably more of psycholgical effect than truly to be seen on the lane
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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2008, 05:53:17 AM »
I kind of like absolutebowling's whole speech.

My 2 cents is
1) I wonder if a bowler, who does not have the release consistency of a really good PBA quality player, can see or tell the difference in sanding directions.
2) With all the variables involved in any one release/delivery, I wonder how significant such directional sanding is.
3) Unless a ball flares enough so that the final flare is 90 degrees to the initial flare, will directional sanding make any TRUE or practical difference?
4) If such directional sanding is effective and practical, will the grit level of the sanding lines change the degree of difference between directions? That is, will 400 grit have larger effect than 4000 grit Abralon?

Lastly,
With all the variables that go into any one delivery, from bowler's release to lane surface to to oil pattern to ball coverstock to drilling to coverstock surface, are we now talking about effects in the range  1/10 of 1% or less?

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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2008, 06:57:48 AM »
I think the only true way to find those answers is to use a robot, same lanes, different grits etc, BUT, once you throw in the human factor ( not releasing the exact same, not hitting the exact spot...you get the idea) then for a human I'd doubt the differences would really be much.

However, there is the mental part. If you THINK something helps, is better, then for you, the human, is it. To me it's similar to the argument of which is most important, drill or cover, depends on the person.

I'll agree there MAY be a small difference but I doubt MOST of us could ever really see the difference.

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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2008, 08:49:35 AM »
I did not mention it in my original thread, but I am using a Vertex ball spinner purchased from Buddies Pro Shop.

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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2008, 09:09:54 AM »
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I did not mention it in my original thread, but I am using a Vertex ball spinner purchased from Buddies Pro Shop.


Good thing to have if you want to work on your ball's coverstock prep
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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2008, 09:41:22 AM »
OK, as usual, it seems I am likely WAY over analyzing this and I really should not be worrying about this.

Thanks for your replies,
Lon

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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2008, 11:14:26 AM »
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OK, as usual, it seems I am likely WAY over analyzing this and I really should not be worrying about this.

Thanks for your replies,
Lon


Maybe. That's just our opinion, the one who chose to reply so far. There are people who strongly believe in this method.
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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2008, 08:52:14 AM »
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Maybe. That's just our opinion, the one who chose to reply so far. There are people who strongly believe in this method.


I understand what you are saying and I also appreciate the thoughts of those who replied.  After reading those replies I feel confident to say that I am not at a place in my game to really get all wrapped up in trying to be that particular.  Maybe someday.

Thanks again,
Lon

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Re: Final step in making a surface change?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2008, 05:48:27 PM »
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90% of most is mental and the other half is physical...

If you 'think' it will have an influence, thus helping you, try it or do it.
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