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Shermster

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Okay...which one???
« on: August 06, 2008, 05:45:17 AM »
This is confusing...

I'm looking to put the shine/length back on my Momentum and I'm not sure which Powerhouse product to use.

Powerhouse Factory Finish or Powerhouse Magic Shine? Both increase length and backend, overall hook no change. I don't have a spinner and plan to apply by hand...or possibly a carwax buffer(bad idea?)

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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008, 04:06:03 PM »
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Moon57

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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2008, 04:12:58 PM »
I don't use either product but if you are going to make a lasting surface change you should use a polish that actually changes the surface which means you need something with grit in it. Check the USBC approved during competition list. Anything that is approved during competition doesn't have any grit in it and won't make a lsating change to the ball. I use either Brunswick high gloss or rough buff to make permanent surface changes. Hope this helps.
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Shermster

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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2008, 05:33:31 PM »
Thanks Moon!

Anyone care to chime in if a automotive powered buffer is a bad idea to apply polish/clean ball?
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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2008, 06:56:23 PM »
I see no problem using a buffer to apply polish, even polish with a little grit in it.  Just keep from leaving it in the same place for very long.  --  JohnP
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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2008, 06:59:27 PM »
AFAIK... high gloss is a grit less polish.

edit: I see high gloss in on the usbc "abrasive" list. hmmmm

The Momentum is 4000 abralon plus Powerhouse Factory Finish
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Moon57

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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008, 05:50:45 AM »
Brunswick high gloss definitely has grit in it. Effect of polishes with grit in them vary widely with application and speed of ball spinner.
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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2008, 06:28:40 AM »
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Brunswick high gloss definitely has grit in it. Effect of polishes with grit in them vary widely with application and speed of ball spinner.
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May I suggest a slight change of emphasis in this statement:

"Effect of polishes with grit in them vary widely and enormously with application and speed of ball spinner."

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Moon57

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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2008, 11:19:36 AM »
Your right Charles, enormously is correct. It's too bad somebody doesn't make a surface finish gauge for a bowling ball. Something with a base that matches the curve of a bowling ball. I bet the ball makers have something like that to be able to get a consistent finish on the ball.  Sure would make life simpler.
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Shermster

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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2008, 01:18:16 PM »
I found this on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1IpG5bC5Pc

I guess I'll follow what he's doing in the video. Should be 100% safe from the looks of it. I'm pretty surprised how well the factory finish went on and the result after applying by hand!
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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2008, 02:31:34 PM »
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Brunswick high gloss definitely has grit in it. Effect of polishes with grit in them vary widely with application and speed of ball spinner.
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Moon,

I've always gone with the idea that Brunswick's High Gloss polish did NOT have abrasives in it. Well, let's call it "grit-less". I don't recall who told me or where I read it. My experiments with sanding in finer and finer grits and then using this polish seem to corroborate that I got the expected results from such sanding: more length and less backend.

Usually such results are produced when the polish is grit-less. It allows you to make judgements on how to modify the ball's surface in "educated" steps, rather than just applying more of an abrasive polish, like Rough Buff and others. Those will get you similar results but in a veyr uneven AND UNEXPECTED manner.

It is possible that, during these experiments, I was more focused in applying the same amount of polish with the same amount of pressure for the same amount of time. So that the result were very even. I am not normally that accurate. That is one reason I strongly prefer grit-less or non abrasive polishes, like Snake OIl and Legends Fcatory Finish.

Besides I always wonder how, if Brunswick sanded all these pearls to 400 grit, a very rough finish, they got all the sanding lines removed with what is supposedly a "grit-less" polish????
(FYI I have replicated their results with a Brunswick pearl using 400 grit plus Bean's Secret Sauce, an abrasive polish. I understand how that polish can smooth out the sanding lines.)

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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2008, 02:42:31 PM »
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I found this on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1IpG5bC5Pc

I guess I'll follow what he's doing in the video. Should be 100% safe from the looks of it. I'm pretty surprised how well the factory finish went on and the result after applying by hand!


Shermster,

Don't make invalid assumptions, based what was NOT said in that video.

The amount of shine depends on the starting grit level, as well as several other factors. If that ball was at 4000 grit Abralon, spit would virtually polish that ball. If the ball is at 600 or 800 grit, you really need a spinner or a lot of elbow grease to apply a shine to a ball.

PLUS he used a humongous amount of polish just to shine one ball. With a spinner, you don't need anywhere near that amount of polish. (I wonder if they just want you to buy a lot of polish?)
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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2008, 02:50:05 PM »
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If that ball was at 4000 grit Abralon, spit would virtually polish that ball.




also, be careful with 4000 grit with high polish
you might miss your break point! the ball will
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Moon57

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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2008, 06:14:20 PM »
I bought this stuff at NAPA called Meguiars Scratch X. Works on the principal of diminishing grit. When you use it the grit keeps breaking down until it disappears. Unbelievable shine on the ball, but it not very controllable. I never tried it over say, 600 grit. Maybe this weekend.

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charlest

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Re: Okay...which one???
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2008, 06:33:02 PM »
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I bought this stuff at NAPA called Meguiars Scratch X. Works on the principal of diminishing grit. When you use it the grit keeps breaking down until it disappears. Unbelievable shine on the ball, but it not very controllable. I never tried it over say, 600 grit. Maybe this weekend.

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More than a few abrasive bowling-specific polishes will act this way. In particular, the Storm Step polishes and Brunswick's Rough Buff. Track's Clean and Sheen does not seem to break down as severely. Legends Extender polish and Storm's Xtra Shine also do not seem to break down as much.

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